Anyone doubt that RFLs work???

[tonyb 1,017]

Hi guys,I'm on my favourite "soap box" again.I was blown away to read the success of the Victorian RFLs as shown in the enclosed scans from a national Fishing Magazine :ohmy: It seems South Australia some times deserves the description of being a bit of a backwater when you see how advanced our sister States are :ohmy: Don't get me wrong, I luv our State and all that's in it but it does make you wonder when we will catch up with what we should have been enjoying for many years

[afishyfish 4]

Great for the Vics :dry: I saw a programme recently saying the Rec fishing industry pulls in almost as much as AFL games :ohmy: Where's all that cash going I wonder, maybe investing in new funds raisers speed cameras :whistle: :pinch:

[MickSA 2]

Yep they got all that and they still travel interstate to fish :whistle: Snapper Snapper Snapper oh and flathead that about sums up victorian fishing im afraid

[Guest boys day out]

Someone left the cage door open again :ohmy: Now where's that thread again

[Goldys_Fishin 0]

Great for the Vics :dry: I saw a programme recently saying the Rec fishing industry pulls in almost as much as AFL games :ohmy: Where's all that cash going I wonder' date=' maybe investing in new [strike']funds raisers[/strike] speed cameras :whistle: :pinch:

I seen the same thing on Escape with ET on the weekend. And it wasn't we pulled in as much as the AFL (profit) it was the sector spent nearly as much. there is a big diffrence.Goldy

[Goldys_Fishin 0]

But Tony, I will stir the pot. I'm with you !!!!THE SOONER WE HAVE AN RFL THE BETTER WE WILL BE, BRING IT ON!!!!Goldy

[Moggy23 625]

All you guys that think it's better interstate, you should spend your money by moving there.

[Guest boys day out]

All you guys that think it's better interstate' date=' you should spend your money by moving there. [/quote']And close the door behind you :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Goldys_Fishin 0]

All you guys that think it's better interstate' date=' you should spend your money by moving there. [/quote']And close the door behind you :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

just so you guys know... i have live in NSW and VIC and i loved the fishing. maybe some of you people should open your eyes and not be stuck in the past because times change.Goldy

[Moggy23 625]

All you guys that think it's better interstate' date=' you should spend your money by moving there. [/quote']And close the door behind you :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

just so you guys know... i have live in NSW and VIC and i loved the fishing. maybe some of you people should open your eyes and not be stuck in the past because times change.Goldy

Have fished from WA to Qld, seen and used the facilities along the way.We in SA have good facilities with the Boating Levy and still improving With the Marine Parks and PIRSA, you think we need more groups to suck up more money. Eyes are wide open and having fun.

[HSVLS19 2]

Tonyb has done this before, I think he is stiring up trouble between the members.

[Ranger 48]

I've already given my thoughts on it in a similar thread with Tony fairly recently, you all know my opposition to the idea for this state, so I feel no need to write it all out again.Here are links to other related discussions:http://www.strikehook.com/forum/5-general-fishing/26397-no-to-recreational-fishing-licenseshttp://www.strikehook.com/forum/5-general-fishing/10821-recreational-fishing-licence-for-sahttp://www.strikehook.com/forum/5-general-fishing/54206-make-of-it-what-you-willhttp://www.strikehook.com/forum/63-off-topic/61699-fishing-taxMaybe Tony could also provide a link to the last discussion he initiated on the subject, as I was unable to find it.If the rest of you wish to go over it all again though, well and good, but I don't want to hear of anyone claiming to represent "my voice" again while they air "their" views on how and why we need an RFL.

[Guest boys day out]

just so you guys know... i have live in NSW and VIC and i loved the fishing. maybe some of you people should open your eyes and not be stuck in the past because times change.GoldyWell if its so good GO back dont come here and try to change us :angry:

[kon 300]

Don`t know about facility enhancement being a major consideration here in SA, but I for one wouldn`t mind paying 20 bucks a year if (big proviso!) the money was allocated specifically towards fishing regs enforcement on jetties, at boat ramps etc.I`ve absolutely had it with the "lowest common denominator" stories of undersize and overbag antics...without being too starry-eyed, a couple of "flying squads" might, just might put the fear of god into the plonkers who don`t think past their next eskyful of undersize crabs or whiting. If only, eh? The ensuing benefits to fish stocks are self-evident.Anyway, as a couple of people have said - we have had this discussion recently...and there are certainly some strongly held views which make for interesting reading! :whistle:

[Goldys_Fishin 0]

just so you guys know... i have live in NSW and VIC and i loved the fishing. maybe some of you people should open your eyes and not be stuck in the past because times change.Goldy

Well if its so good GO back dont come here and try to change us :angry: I'm not trying to change anyone mate, I was born and raised in Adeladie. so champ i'm not going anywhere. your stuck with me.

[urhookedfish 12]

I too like Goldy, have lived in many other states including NSW and Victoria and found that the freshwater fishing specifically is way better than here in SA. To clarify this, I mean you have more diversity in these states. The stocking allows that even communal lakes/dams in the centre of residential suburbs like Lillydale have well stocked lakes that hold good rainbow trout etc. These scenarios are few and far between in SA.Nearly all dams and Lakes in NSW and Vic are stocked and the fishing and access is good.I too feel strongly about paying for it and the money being spent frauduntly but bottom line is without the license we can not come close to these states scenarios without first implementing it.I do understand we are taxed and charged through every orrifice we have and sometimes twice, but man their needs to be a pool of money for these improvements to even come close to being implemented.I do think its unfair to tell people to move back interstate,just because they have seen how good the fresh water fishing is over there. its also unfair to tell them to move back just because they would like to see similar things here.I think its a simple system. You pay you fish.I mean fishing is not cheap and to keep the sort of idiots that vandalise Giles jetty off of it, if there was an RFL (Saltwater included of course) we could then utilise future grants to figure out ways of stoping this type of vandalism.The RFL as much as I hate to pay for it would just open up more opportunities.

[Moggy23 625]

I too like Goldy' date=' have lived in many other states including NSW and Victoria and found that the freshwater fishing specifically is way better than here in SA. To clarify this, I mean you have more diversity in these states. The stocking allows that even communal lakes/dams in the centre of residential suburbs like Lillydale have well stocked lakes that hold good rainbow trout etc. These scenarios are few and far between in SA.Nearly all dams and Lakes in NSW and Vic are stocked and the fishing and access is good.I too feel strongly about paying for it and the money being spent frauduntly but bottom line is without the license we can not come close to these states scenarios without first implementing it.I do understand we are taxed and charged through every orrifice we have and sometimes twice, but man their needs to be a pool of money for these improvements to even come close to being implemented.I do think its unfair to tell people to move back interstate,just because they have seen how good the fresh water fishing is over there. its also unfair to tell them to move back just because they would like to see similar things here.I think its a simple system. You pay you fish.I mean fishing is not cheap and to keep the sort of idiots that vandalise Giles jetty off of it, if there was an RFL (Saltwater included of course) we could then utilise future grants to figure out ways of stoping this type of vandalism.The RFL as much as I hate to pay for it would just open up more opportunities.[/quote']Wait till you get your boat and see how deep your pockets will be with all the charges. :cheer: Again, this sounds like a fresh water licence.

[tonyb 1,017]

Interesting that even with this glaring evidence of the positive aspects of paying an annual fee for your fishing that we still have the same tired old knockers.Did any one bother to read to the bottom lines where vast sums of money where allocated for extra Compliance Officers, Anglers diarys, child education in skills and looking after the future, plus seeking to put Fishing in the School Curriculum!AND there also was that little Gem of having the biggest and most expensive fish stocking excercise in the 10 year history of the Victorian RFL. :ohmy:

[carps 1]

maybe the voice should be heard, the only people i can hear wanting a rfl is the fresh water guys so maybe we get one for them and when the salt guys start asking for one give them one to let the voices be heard i say

[tonyb 1,017]

Interesting that even with this glaring evidence of the positive aspects of paying an annual fee for your fishing that we still have the same tired old knockers.Did any one bother to read to the bottom lines where vast sums of money where allocated for extra Compliance Officers' date=' Anglers diarys, child education in skills and looking after the future, plus seeking to put Fishing in the School Curriculum!AND there also was that little Gem of having the biggest and most expensive fish stocking excercise in the 10 year history of the Victorian RFL. :ohmy:AND $11,000,000 spent on 325 projects in the same period of time doesn't sniff, to me anyway, of the Angling Public getting "ripped off" :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: [/quote']

[Mick013 2]

Did anything ACTUALLY happen as a result of those "allocations" in the article or was it just some bullshit piece where they just say oh yeah, we'll put money here, there and everywhere but REALLY nothing happens?If its really going to result in benefit, great. Next thing you know we'll be paid to kick a ball at the oval because the grass is dying and in short suppy. i mean come on, the government can bearly look after people with all the taxes and levies they charge - let alone the needs of recreational anglers.

[Mick013 2]

* paying *

[Goldys_Fishin 0]

maybe the voice should be heard' date=' the only people i can hear wanting a rfl is the fresh water guys so maybe we get one for them and when the salt guys start asking for one give them one to let the voices be heard i say [/quote']Hold on a second, dont put me in any group thanks. I do fly fish for trout, on private property that is stocked by the owners, i also fish the LMLFC comps when i can get a ride because they are a great social event. but most of my fishing is saltwater, mainly because it is easy, close and i enjoy doing it. I'm not freshwater fisherman, I'm not a saltwater fisherman, I'm just a fisherman and a bad one at that.

[Ranger 48]

we still have the same tired old knockers.

Bet you'd call me different if I actually agreed with you though!While we're fact finding, would you mind also finding the figures for me on how many rec licenses were actually purchased in Victoria during that period covering the $3M expenditure, and then also telling me where the rest of the money went. Thanks! :cheer:

[Jack. 10]

Love enthusiasm TonyB and I have nothing but respect for you as a fella who loves his fishing and is happy to get off your bum and lobby for what you believe will benefit all of us avid anglers and our kids and grand kids to follow. My hat goes off to you mate... Sincerely... And I'm not just blowing sunshine up yer bum for no reason BUT, I just can not trust any government body with my hard earned cash that they already have enough of and State Governments are the worst... Each state seems to have a different yet equally greedy, untrustworthy and unprofessional bunch of sloths representing us and happily spending our dough (not to mention the commonwealth govt.)I appreciate the update and the fresh info you have provided, but I still stand by my opinion that the RFL is brilliant in theory, but the real thing is a different story. Cheers :whistle:

[Guest boys day out]

RESPECT for thistonyb wrote:we are aware of the Closed Season but wondered if PIRSA turned a blind eye to organised events such as ours?one rule for me and another for you

[Jack. 10]

RESPECT for thistonyb wrote:we are aware of the Closed Season but wondered if PIRSA turned a blind eye to organised events such as ours?one rule for me and another for you

I'm not sure if you're having a go or not ??? :huh:I kind of remember this question posed re: fly fishing for Bream or something, can't find the PIRSA thread for it.

[Jack. 10]

RESPECT for thistonyb wrote:we are aware of the Closed Season but wondered if PIRSA turned a blind eye to organised events such as ours?one rule for me and another for you

I'm not sure if you're having a go or not ??? :huh:I kind of remember this question posed re: fly fishing for Bream or something' date=' can't find the PIRSA thread for it.[/quote']Okay so, may as well copy and paste the conclusion;PIRSA Fisheries wrote:tonyb wrote:Hi guys,Could you please confirm that PIRSA now have a policy in place to actively prevent targetting Bream on their breeding grounds?SAFWAA has traditionally held a Fly Fishing Education day in the close season up there and have tried to catch bream at Old Noarlunga as a part of this.Our past President actually rang you guys up last year to clarify this point and it was an emphatic No which is fair enough and we adhered to the ruling!The problem is that we now have a very keen new "Events Officer" who is insisting on holding the event there this year!Thanks in anticipation, Tony Bainbridge (SAFWAA President)Hi Tony,Apologies for the delay in responding apprpriately.Restricting and preventing fishing activities that target fish during breeding seasons in particular areas is a common fisheries management tool designed to ensure the long-term sustainability of the stocks.The upper area of the Onkaparinga River is considered to be an important spawning area for Bream during September to November. It is important that during this period, Bream are not killed, injured or stressed, so as to allow them the best chance of spawning successfully.For this reason, as previously stated, the Onkaparinga River is closed to the taking of Bream upstream of the Main South Rd bridge at Noarlunga from 1st September to 30 November each year.The Fisheries Regulations state that the taking of an aquatic resource includes any act that is preparatory to or involved in the taking of those aquatic resources, irrespective of whether or not any such aquatic resource has been actually caught. This therefore allows us to take action against, for example, those that set unregistered rock lobster pots, or illegal gill nets, but actually haven't caught any fish at the time in them. The act of trying to catch these fish illegally is the offence. For this reason, we discourage anyone from specifically targeting the fish during the closed period and rather encourage fishers to fish in a different location or for a different species during that period.At the end of the day, the less stress or damage imposed on the fish during this important time in their life cycle, the better it is for the fishery as a whole.Troy HarrisFisheries OfficerBirkenheadHi, Troy,My apology too for not checking up on your reply before now I am most interested to hear that the "intention" is the crime and I guess that makes the prosecution by PIRSA that much harder as you may not have to catch someone red handed with dead fish on them, only to see them targetting these vulnerable fish!Thank you for clearing this issue up and I'd be very surprised if any responsible fisher reading this would still be chasing bream at Old Noarlunga in the close season, in future. I can assure you that SAFWAA will be actively encouraging all of it's members NOT to engage in this activity either! Cheers, Tony. (SAFWAA Pres.)PS Could I beg a contact phone number from you Troy as we are keenly interested in having some one from PIRSA with specialised knowledge of Fresh Water Fishing Rules/regulations, to give a talk to our group soon?

[tonyb 1,017]

Hi Jack,I very much appreciate your efforts in defending me against our "friends" allegations, certainly saves me a bit of heartache Best regards, Tony.

[afishyfish 4]

Maybe the powers that be just need to roll out some more speed cameras. :whistle: They'd have stacks to spend then :pinch:

[tonyb 1,017]

It's really not rocket science, "You use it, YOU pay for it!"The benefits far out weigh the negatives of just sitting on your 20 bucks a year for your RFL and getting nothing at all, while the interstaters reap massive benefits for their small outlay.

[weaver 271]

Access and boat ramps on all of the resavoirs would be nice but in reality it will never happen.

[Ranger 48]

"You use it' date=' YOU pay for it!"[/quote']ie: GST! Goods and services tax, which you pay on everything you buy and everything you use, designed and promised to replace all these other payments and taxes! A true "user pays" system!If I wanna use the ramp, I pay for it! If I buy bait, I pay for it! When I buy tackle, I pay for it! When I drain resources, I pay for it! Pay on fuel, servicing, tackle, food, bait, bl**dy EVERYTHING which isn't an essential item for existence. What an excellent idea, now no-one but me pays for the stuff I want and the services I use, except all the other users who are also paying for themselves of course! That's fair!Oh hang on, they already pushed that one on us with the promise it would cover all our needs and we would not have to pay more.........didn't they? Now you tell me to forget that promise and elect or ASK for a fishing license on top, to cover what they are not providing, even after their promises to me?Hmmm, I do a lot of things apart from fish too, and EVERYTHING needs improvement! Guess I'm also gonna need a caravanning license too! A camping license! A hunting license! A bicycling license! A 4WDing license. A fossicking license! A bushwalking license! A masrturbating license! A kayaking license! A swimming license! A pet owning license! A .............I think you understand!This is NOT the promise the government made me when we did this GST deal!Should we also cover the "levies" they have also introduced since, in their attempts to hide the new imposed taxes they promised we wouldn't ever get?I'm sure we've covered all this before though, and neither point of view has changed even slightly since.Tell ya what, I'm close to being run to the wall with all these "small" and insignificant charges and fees I have to pay while also being a boat owner. Charges which you dont incur, and charges you dont consider! 3 lots of registration, 3 lots of insurance, servicing, fuel, roadside assistance, flares, epirbs, electronics, ramp fees, levies, the list just keeps growing the more I think about it, and it's gotten bl**dy expensive nowadays to want to own and operate a boat!You buy my boat, and give it a go for awhile with all the added costs, coz I'm right on the verge of giving it all in at the moment! I'm only asking High 20K's for it, and I'll put $20 of that sale price towards a license to sit under a tree and hold my rod for awhile!

[tonyb 1,017]

You've got passion Ranger and more importantly you beleive firmly in your cause This debating (no! not masturbating) game is a heap of fun mate don't you think???

[urhookedfish 12]

Masturbating license - now thats out of hand:dry: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: If I ever have to pay for that I will go back to sleeping with my wife.