ShoreJigger 171 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Thought I would share my experience, first time using circles on Whiting.Bought some size 2 and size 4 Mustad Demon light gauge circle hooks.Tied up my own paternosters with some 15lb fluorocarbon and the size 4s. Making sure the hooks were snelled the right way round. So the leader sort of continues the circle. Fishing 10lb braid. (Could go lighter, unsure if we were going to fish deep or not)Finally found a school of whiting off St. Kilda Yesterday afternoon.I can say, I definitely see the benefits of these hooks.The bite to hook up ratio was great. Just didn't strike and used just a slow small lift of the rod.Not a single fish was lost. All were nicely hooked in the lips, one in the corner of the jaw.Ended up with about 8 fish caught but they were all 29-30cm :pinch: , including a very small silver whiting.Will definitely be using them from now on. So far so good. urhookedfish, snake, Rickster and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aldingabeachfisho 1 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I got a mate who swears by circles for whiting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moggy23 625 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I've used the same Mustad Demons as well and found the same Phil.Also seams to catch those pickers like leatheries easier too. Also found that the wide gates are not quite as good, where's the no. 6 long shanks were better on the day. 4THALOVE can back that one up. 4THALOVE and afishyfish 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T BONE 1 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 I use Black Magic KL 1/0's, makes for a beautiful site when whiting fishing with two rods & sitting there watching both rods load up at the same time. Work excellent when the fish are biting really timidly too & a bonus is the hooks never seem to get snagged up either. afishyfish 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Del 245 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 ive been using them for carp fishing and also baited trout fishing.. love the lip hooking!! afishyfish 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Team Daiwa. 0 Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Same as T Bone use the black magic circles for whiting just buy the whiting snatchers straight out like $5 a packet, lip hooking the fish is especially handy when the rubbish fish are around as you dont loose the whole hook! afishyfish 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TT 2 Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 I use Black Magic KL 1/0's, makes for a beautiful site when whiting fishing with two rods & sitting there watching both rods load up at the same time. Work excellent when the fish are biting really timidly too & a bonus is the hooks never seem to get snagged up either. Was that a Personal Choice TBONE or recommended by Adventure Bound? Tommy2toes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bocky 2 Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 I been using the black magics as well and found them to be very good. I think the hook up rate is much better and i will continue to use them. I tried them after seeing them on adventure bound. Love that show they allways have some great tips. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T BONE 1 Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 I use Black Magic KL 1/0's' date=' makes for a beautiful site when whiting fishing with two rods & sitting there watching both rods load up at the same time. Work excellent when the fish are biting really timidly too & a bonus is the hooks never seem to get snagged up either.[/quote'] Was that a Personal Choice TBONE or recommended by Adventure Bound? Was a bit of both really, was previously using the red No.6 Owner Mutu Light Circles but ran out & for the life of me could not track anymore down locally with ease. The only shop I was getting them from closed up, seen the BM KL's on sale in one particular shop & thought why not. Unfortunately they seem to be a hard hook to locate too, went past the shop I got them from the other day actually & the rack was clean. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Just Me 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 With circles, does it matter much if you use braid v mono? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickster 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 With circles' date=' does it matter much if you use braid v mono?[/quote']Does not matter what you choose, i use circles with both types. :woohoo: Just Me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest boys day out Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Question is what leader ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afishyfish 4 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 With circles' date=' does it matter much if you use braid v mono?[/quote']Just dont use a braid dropper witha a mono leader or the other way round JM, you'll prob have all kinds of issues :pinch: I found some Owner circles recently in a size 10, apparently designed for a lip hook set, but havent really had a chance to test them out yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Just Me 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Found this"There is a specific way to use circle hooks to maximise the hook-up rate. Anglers wanting to try circles need to be aware that they are best used in conjunction with braided fishing lines. Monofilament lines have too much stretch, which doesn’t allow the hook to be set correctly. You will find best success when using braided lines as they have no stretch and enable the hook to be set the instant the bait is completely swallowed." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Just Me 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Question is what leader ? What do ya recommend BDO, fluro? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hi GuysI've talked a bit about this elsewherehttp://www.strikehook.com/forum/43-yorke-peninsula/177132-ardrossan-friday-7102011?limit=15&start=15AS I mentioned, Owner Mutu light circle size 4 for a number of years & as has already been mentioned, not easy to source ATM. I use them on a single dropper paternoster (getting the 2nd hook in my hand was enough to stop me doing that again), main line 6lb braid with a 20lb mono leader. I tie dropper loop in the 20lb mono and then loop over a swivel with 10lb mono trace to hook and the 10lb helps with the abrasive mouths. Fuoro would certainly help with the abrasion resistance and probably be a little stiffer helping stop tangles.CheersWahoo Just Me, 4THALOVE and afishyfish 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fisher 38 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'm yet to be convinced - my first 3 KGW using circles had swallowed the whole lot. Long shanks would have been an easier recovery of the hook, but the circles required some serious surgery..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Just Me 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'm yet to be convinced - my first 3 KGW using circles had swallowed the whole lot. Long shanks would have been an easier recovery of the hook' date=' but the circles required some serious surgery.....[/quote']That's pretty much what i wanted to avoid.Currently using a running rig with a #6 long shank with 8lb trilene and 8lb leader, works ok just wanted to avoid the gut hooks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Each to his own. I'm yet to experience a gut hooked KGW on a circle but I'm not trying to convert anyone. I have noticed that the toadys are less inclined to gut hooking with the circles which has saved me a lot of re-rigging!!!. I use a pair of long nosed surgical forceps for unhooking which helps with the extreme turn required to get the things out!!Wahoo Rickster, afishyfish, Moggy23 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afishyfish 4 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Found this"There is a specific way to use circle hooks to maximise the hook-up rate. Anglers wanting to try circles need to be aware that they are best used in conjunction with braided fishing lines. Monofilament lines have too much stretch' date=' which doesn’t allow the hook to be set correctly. You will find best success when using braided lines as they have no stretch and enable the hook to be set the instant the bait is completely swallowed."[/quote']I suspect they mean just for the mainline JM The length of mono used in a trace is going to be very small ?----------------------------------------------------------------------@ Wahoo, do you think your hook up rate is better overall ?While the idea of using circles soudns great, my only worry about using them on KG is the width of the gape.With whiting having a long thin mouth, it makes me wonder how well they can get this style of hook in if theye'r only timidly picking at a bait, as opposed to aggresiveley attacking it :unsure:Seems a J hook is maybe better suited overall Just Me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickster 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Each to his own. I'm yet to experience a gut hooked KGW on a circle but I'm not trying to convert anyone. I have noticed that the toadys are less inclined to gut hooking with the circles which has saved me a lot of re-rigging!!!. I use a pair of long nosed surgical forceps for unhooking which helps with the extreme turn required to get the things out!!WahooAgree with you totally on this, the only thing i have ever gut hooked with a circle was a recent 9kg Doggie. :woohoo:And must say that my hookup rate with circles has now converted me. :woohoo: Just Me and Wahoo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hi AFFWhile the idea of using circles soudns great, my only worry about using them on KG is the width of the gape. Are you sure you're not talking about kahl type hooks which have an enormous gape. The light circles I'm talking about have a gape not much different to a J hook of the same size but a shorter shank. I've tried the kahl type circle with a spectacular lack of success. They are good on flatties and ruggers though!!Wahoo Just Me and Rickster 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Just Me 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Yeah, i meant main line AFF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afishyfish 4 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Yeah' date=' i meant main line AFF.[/quote']Id say that with mono, you'd often be struggling to see the start of a good bite, and almost definiteley miss a timid bite, where with a lightish braid you'd see both Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hi AFFRe: Hook up rates. I'd have to say that they're better than before, but a lot of that's because I'm having to put the rod down a lot which helps the hooks work the way they're suppose to. I also tend to keep the bait on the move which also helps.Wahoo Just Me and Rickster 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickster 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hi AFFRe: Hook up rates. I'd have to say that they're better than before' date=' but a lot of that's because I'm having to put the rod down a lot which helps the hooks work the way they're suppose to. I also tend to keep the bait on the move which also helps.Wahoo[/quote']Take heed to what is said, this man knows what he is talking about. :woohoo: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afishyfish 4 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 AS I mentioned' date=' Owner Mutu light circle CheersWahoo[/quote']Thats what I bought recently wahoo, but in a size 10. The BMs were recomended to me, but having seen these at the time of heading out I just had to buy them. Will prob buy some BMs too, is it anywonder us fishos end up with piles of gear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afishyfish 4 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hi AFFRe: Hook up rates. I'd have to say that they're better than before' date=' but a lot of that's because I'm having to put the rod down a lot which helps the hooks work the way they're suppose to. I also tend to keep the bait on the move which also helps.Wahoo[/quote']Take heed to what is said' date=' this man knows what he is talking about. :woohoo:[/quote']Yep.It can be hard to get out of the habit of either holding the rod, or hitting at the first sign of a bite. Patience and timinmg are the key, holding the rod or otherwise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
breambo25 1 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 the hooks never seem to get snagged up either.I guess that is one of the bonuses of using circle hooks. Because of their natural shape, the actual pointy bit of the hook points towards the shank. This means that if it is pulled along the bottom, it will rarely snag up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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