jackblack86 5 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Currently have an Abu Garcia 7000 overhead on a penn sports rod. No issues with birds nests or the rod but just struggling to cast more than 30m with the reel. Am I doing something wrong or is this a normal distance for this reel?Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickster 0 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds like it needs a service, or not setting the casting dial correct and have it too tight still. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afishyfish 4 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds like it needs a service' date=' or not setting the casting dial correct and have it too tight still. [/quote']Or not enough casting weight/action Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds like it needs a service' date=' or not setting the casting dial correct and have it too tight still. [/quote']Have dialed it in as per the instructions, the reel is less than 3 months old so I wouldnt think it'd need a service already? Well looked after and cleaned with a damp cloth after use every time..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds like it needs a service' date=' or not setting the casting dial correct and have it too tight still. [/quote']Or not enough casting weight/action Probably more likely the action.... :S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plankton 725 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Have dialed it in as per the instructions' date=' the reel is less than 3 months old so I wouldnt think it'd need a service already? Well looked after and cleaned with a damp cloth after use every time.....[/quote']You'd be surprised how often brand new reels come poorly lubricated. Often they will use a fairly heavy grease at the factory as well which can slow the spool down considerably. It also doesn't take long for the worm gear on the levelwind to get sticky and that can slow down the reel as well. You could also be using too much thumb on the spool in an effort to not have backlashes? You can definitely get way more than 30m out of that reel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted January 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Maybe the worm gear as it is noisy when casting? Almost like the spo is struggling to spin. Is it easy to disassemble, lubricate and put together again.... I am a tradie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
afishyfish 4 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Practice makes perfect BJ To avoid getting backlash/ birds nests, it's usually better to start off with everything a bit tight, then loosen off as you get better at using it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
projoe 261 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 which penn sports rod? if its the 10 foot o/h rod cast of 60+ should be obtainable if it one of the boat rods the distance would be about right! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plankton 725 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Maybe the worm gear as it is noisy when casting? Almost like the spo is struggling to spin. Is it easy to disassemble' date=' lubricate and put together again.... I am a tradie[/quote']Those worm gears need regular lubrication, use that little bottle of abu oil that should have come with the reel, just a small amount every time you go out, if the reel is getting wet then you may even need to re apply during a session. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brenton 637 Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 Some 7000's have bushes and others have bearings(i can't remember which)but the one with bushes is the choice for casters.With it out of gear the lure/rig should slowly sink to the floor in about 2secs from waist height,then as your casting improves you back off the spool tension,if your not getting any backlash then dial off some more tension and see how you go. cheers brenton afishyfish 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 There's a lot of little tricks with these things. As has been mentioned if it's noisy when casting some lubrication sounds in order. If it's a 7000 & not 7000C it will have bushes, the C denotes bearings (used to anyway), way back in the 1970s the Ambassadeur 7000 was the reel of choice for champion beachcasters who were achieving distances of 200metres! They're easy to take down and clean, so I'd strip it, check the grease on the gears & replace with a light grease and oil the bushes & worm gear with a very light oil, the oil supplied is perfect for the bushes & worm gear. When reassembling make sure you get the anti reverse pawl in the correct position & that's about the only tricky bit. My 7000 & 6000C are both over 30 years old & still performing beautifully. When you've finished and go to use it ensure the level wind is in the correct position for the line, this is important as if you get it wrong you can end up with the line at one side of the spool and the level wind at the other end, this will considerably reduce casting distance! Cheers Wahoo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Stripped it down last night, oiled the worm gear. Pulled it apartment had no idea what I was doing. The thing fell apart and I lost my shit...... But eventually I figured out how to piece it back together. I was thinking that there was sand or dirt inside, all was clean. Oiled the worm drive, haven't tested the casting yet but now when I wind, with the drag backed off, It makes clicking noise. I'm taking it into shop to get a once over, so we'll see what happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trihull 177 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 ABU Garcia Reel SchematicsLook here JB hope this will help you out !!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Cheers everyone for the help.Thanks tri hull, would have been handy last night when the panic mode set in Gave it a good test this morning seems like it is good now. The spool is spinning much better after a light oil and everything on it is working correctly. Still yet to test the cast distance but I'll try it out on the weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4THALOVE 45 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 next time you are at your local tackle shop (or at sportfishing scene speak to Darren/ MR.Balls )ask them for some carbontex drag washers for it as well Moggy23 & HSVLS19 have both upgraded theirs and now the drag pulls off ultra smooth cheers 4THA Moggy23 and HSVLS19 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSVLS19 2 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 next time you are at your local tackle shop (or at sportfishing scene speak to Darren/ MR.Balls )ask them for some carbontex drag washers for it as well Moggy23 & HSVLS19 have both upgraded theirs and now the drag pulls off ultra smooth cheers 4THA4THALOVE is right Moggy23 and i have 4 7000 with cardontex drag washers and shimano oil as well.WORKS KILLA. I was going replace my reels but with this upgrade didnt need to. 4THALOVE 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Approximate cost on the carbon washers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSVLS19 2 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Approximate cost on the carbon washers?about $25 mate Moggy23 and 4THALOVE 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4THALOVE 45 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 there is a few in the packet though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Sounds like an extremely cheap upgrade, I'll give it a crack. Cheers guys 4THALOVE and HSVLS19 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plankton 725 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Pulled it apartment had no idea what I was doing. The thing fell apart and I lost my shit...... But eventually I figured out how to piece it back together.lol, that's how I first learned to rebuild reels as well, it gets easier the more you do it I believe you said it was a relatively new reel? If so it should already have carbontex drag washers, Abu finally switched over a few years ago after many years of building great casting reels with crap drag systems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Pulled it apartment had no idea what I was doing. The thing fell apart and I lost my shit...... But eventually I figured out how to piece it back together.lol' date=' that's how I first learned to rebuild reels as well' date=' it gets easier the more you do it I believe you said it was a relatively new reel? If so it should already have carbontex drag washers, Abu finally switched over a few years ago after many years of building great casting reels with crap drag systems. [/quote'']Is there anyway to tell what type of washers are in the drag. They are dark grey in colour and kind of look like a gasket material if that makes sense? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonyb 1,017 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 There's a lot of little tricks with these things. As has been mentioned if it's noisy when casting some lubrication sounds in order. If it's a 7000 & not 7000C it will have bushes' date=' the C denotes bearings (used to anyway), way back in the 1970s the Ambassadeur 7000 was the reel of choice for champion beachcasters who were achieving distances of 200metres! They're easy to take down and clean, so I'd strip it, check the grease on the gears & replace with a light grease and oil the bushes & worm gear with a very light oil, the oil supplied is perfect for the bushes & worm gear. When reassembling make sure you get the anti reverse pawl in the correct position & that's about the only tricky bit. My 7000 & 6000C are both over 30 years old & still performing beautifully. When you've finished and go to use it ensure the level wind is in the correct position for the line, this is important as if you get it wrong you can end up with the line at one side of the spool and the level wind at the other end, this will considerably reduce casting distance! Cheers Wahoo[/quote']Abu overheads, or multipliers as they are called in the UK, have forever been the tournament caster's reel of choice!Some of the tricks the pro's would use was to totally remove the level winder and the centrifugal or magnetic brakes for a start. The normal casting weights for distance were around 4 to 6 ounces with a minimum 12 ft rod generally with a solid aircraft grade aluminium butt section to 7 ft and a graphite, 5 or 6ft top section. Shock leaders to take the strain of casting these distances were around 60lb and just enough length to get a half dozen turns on the reel. A piece of inner tube rubber tied to the butt below the reel which can be used as a thumb brake when casting to save your thumb when the shock leader knot comes off the reel.Google the "Pendulum cast" to see how we achieved these distances.The main line could be as little as 10 lbs breaking strain to give minimum air resistance and optimum filling up of the reel. ABU originally gave a full lifetime warranty on these "Rolls Royce" of fishing reels but I'm not certain of this fact nowadays with the farming out of Trade names to foreign Countries?I own a 46 year old ABU 9000C which I bought new in the UK and it still can biff out 180 yards on my 13ft 6" Leslie Moncrieffe Rod which is around the same age!! Trouble is, in SA all the shore fishing is virtually under your feet whereas if you couldn't cast these distances in the UK you were in danger of not clearing the rocks along the shore line of my native North East Coast! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Yep. Got both of mine in the mid-late 1970s when I was still in UK & single. I was south coast & you needed a long cast to get Bass in summer or Cod in the winter. Still got a 12' ABU Atlantic beach rod capable of casting up to 9oz a bloody long way. As you say, removing centrifugal blocks helps, got rid of mine years ago. Kept the level wind as I'm too lazy to use my thumb!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plankton 725 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 If you bought the reel with a box it should say something about a "carbon matrix" drag. The carbon drag washers look like the three bigger black washers belowThe older washers will be smooth in appearance without that crosshatch pattern. trihull 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jackblack86 5 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 checked the box and it says "six washer drag system" looks like i'll be upgrading soon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonyb 1,017 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Yep. Got both of mine in the mid-late 1970s when I was still in UK & single. I was south coast & you needed a long cast to get Bass in summer or Cod in the winter. Still got a 12' ABU Atlantic beach rod capable of casting up to 9oz a bloody long way. As you say' date=' removing centrifugal blocks helps, got rid of mine years ago. Kept the level wind as I'm too lazy to use my thumb!![/quote']Phewww!! I'm so pleased there is someone else nearly as old as me on the Forum And, BONUS an ex-pom as well ABU kit was/is always the top gear around the World and the "Atlantic"Rod was/is a standout as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 @tonyb: Phewww!! I'm so pleased there is someone else nearly as old as me on the ForumYes, and I've caught my fair share of Redfin as well!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonyb 1,017 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 @tonyb: Phewww!! I'm so pleased there is someone else nearly as old as me on the ForumYes' date=' and I've caught my fair share of Redfin as well!![/quote']Hmm. us ex pommy b***tards have to stick together mate Now then, what was that about the redfin you've caught? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 You're right about ABU being class gear. Didn't take Crispy long to sell that 6600. Now, those Redfin........Mainly UK & Victoria, been pretty much saltwater since moving to SA, they are fun though, especially when they get around a kilo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonyb 1,017 Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Not thought about joining the SAFWAA boys?, awesome fishing and my best redfin from a Club Dam went 1.625 kgs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I've thought about it quite a bit over the years. Problems at the moment are I'm time poor & when I get time the whole family want to come, when the oldies get past clambering into the boat and with retirement racing toward me every year it's certainly a possibility in the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonyb 1,017 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I've thought about it quite a bit over the years. Problems at the moment are I'm time poor & when I get time the whole family want to come' date=' when the oldies get past clambering into the boat and with retirement racing toward me every year it's certainly a possibility in the future.[/quote']You'd better crack on then mate, I'm just retired and there ain't gonna be many fish left to catch at the rate I'm travelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wahoo 146 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I've thought about it quite a bit over the years. Problems at the moment are I'm time poor & when I get time the whole family want to come' date=' when the oldies get past clambering into the boat and with retirement racing toward me every year it's certainly a possibility in the future.[/quote']You'd better crack on then mate' date=' I'm just retired and there ain't gonna be many fish left to catch at the rate I'm travelling [/quote']I reckon you're just keeping the population down enough to stop them being stunted. As long as you keep doing that they're still be some good ones left & they'll just get bigger and wiser :whistle: Which means I'll have to fish smarter. :ohmy: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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