Fishing preferences

[Tacklebags 404]

If you like your fishing access like me, then this is worth noting if considering voting for Clive Palmer or the mad hatter.

if you vote for Clive Palmer, your votes go to Family First, then to the Socialists, then to the Greens, Fishing and Lifestyle, Katter, the LNP, One Nation, Democrats and finally to the Australian Christians, presumably to ask forgiveness.Who knew Clive had such a fondness for unreconstructed socialists? They are his second preference. He wants to be PM; perhaps he will be the Hugo Chavez of the South Seas. It is not just Queensland though. Clive is preferencing the Greens ahead of the major parties, and ahead of many minor parties, in all states. What a paradox? Clive's entry may protect the balance of power of the Greens, perhaps one billionaire the Greens will learn to love.The Katter party, which ostensibly is opposed to everything Green, is preferencing the Greens ahead of the Liberals in the ACT, and ahead of Nick Xenophon in South Australia. Bob Katter may be instrumental in helping the Greens keep the balance of power by helping a Green senator to be elected in the ACT.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/dont-let-your-senate-fall-prey-to--vultu...TB

[kon 300]

Eek. have a look at this (admittedly Bananabender-specific) polling.Palmer and the Greens have hopped into bed with cross-preferencing for tactical reasons, to give both LNP and Labor the big finger - BTW Comrade Milne says he`s no worse than the two majors in terms of pro-coal but their parties have a supposed commonality on asylum seekers, thus no reason for the Greens not to preference Palmer...convenient excuse.Both parties pandering of course to the LCD voters who would like "free stuff that Mr Nobody will pay for".Check out the Greens and PUP. After preference transfers, there`s gotta be a Queensland Senate seat in there for at least one of the loony twins...Take the time, vote below the line.

[wisdom 0]

It gets worse, I just voted and amongst others on the "big white sheet " was the " Pirate Party" and also the " Sex Party ", believe that ?God help us, come to think about it, that wouldn't work either as I believe ALLpoliticians are morally corrupt and a few are legally corrupt, they are the ones that end up doing time. The others get away with it because the public let them !

[Tacklebags 404]

It gets worse' date=' I just voted and amongst others on the "big white sheet " was the " Pirate Party" and also the " Sex Party ", believe that ?God help us, come to think about it, that wouldn't work either as I believe [u']ALL[/u]politicians are morally corrupt and a few are legally corrupt, they are the ones that end up doing time. The others get away with it because the public let them !

What about 'gamers for croydon' I hear they are all voting labor because they only care about the NBN....

[Ugly4Life 41]

Sarah Hanson-Young's ads playing every 30 damn seconds aren't doing her any favours. I swear I'm gonna throw a brick at my TV the next time I hear that girl talk about asylum seekers or watch some dude give a triple piggy back.

[Tinker 1,645]

Politicians are like reverse kangas.....they can go in any direction.Doesn't matter who we vote for, they all promise us everything before the election, then leave us with regrets after.Vote Sex Party for shits and giggles!

[kon 300]

Ugly

Sarah Hanson-Young's ads playing every 30 damn seconds aren't doing her any favours. I swear I'm gonna throw a brick at my TV the next time I hear that girl talk...

I know someone who was associated with the SA Greens on a professional (not ideological) basis - their SHY appraisal was ..."she`s not real bright"...

[kon 300]

TB

What about 'gamers for croydon' I hear they are all voting labor because they only care about the NBN....

Sigh. $40 Billion going on $80 Billion to have 97% of households being able to download a movie in three minutes...Ssshhh....don`t mention that Turnbull`s FTTN at 10-20 Mbps is the standard deal for Conroy`s FTTH - unless you are prepared to pay quite a few more bucks for 80-100Mbps "available" on the latter..."The best lies are based on half-truths"

[TT 2]

TB

What about 'gamers for croydon' I hear they are all voting labor because they only care about the NBN....

Sigh. $40 Billion going on $80 Billion to have 97% of households being able to download a movie in three minutes...Ssshhh....don`t mention that Turnbull`s FTTN at 10-20 Mbps is the standard deal for Conroy`s FTTH - unless you are prepared to pay quite a few more bucks for 80-100Mbps "available" on the latter..."The best lies are based on half-truths"

And all while this is happening America and Google with its fiber network are being rapidly rolled out across the nation, offering for only $60 a month unlimited downloads and over 1000mbps or 1gdps. 10 x the speed available from the most expensive NBN plan.Don't even get me started on how Sony and Japan are also running their 2000mbps Internet regimes.I understand population and pure social and technological need for hardware I.e. most Aussies don't need super fast fiber optic networks. Just seems even with a massive rollout like this we are still left behind. Luckily fiber optic is an extremely upgradedable technology TT

[Ale 301]

The labour NBN would do wonders for many work places like mine.I have to send and recieve large 3D files all over the world, we have live confrence calls to share screens and what not on the daily. As the rest of the world gets better internet, its these facets of business that will struggle and fall behind the rest.Even my indian based counterparts will be laughing at our speeds in a couple years

[Ugly4Life 41]

http://www.politifact.com.au/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/17/malcolm-turnbull/will-labors-nbn-cost-94-billion/Keep in mind that I want the NBN. I want FTTH, not FTTN... but the costs associated are bigger than Labor wants to admit and I think they'd be better off being up front about it, rather than keep on trying to dodge that particular political bullet.

[kon 300]

Further to the Nielsen poll above - just found this on a blogsite, someone having run the figures through an online election calculator and came up with this gem.It`s all about the preferences...remember how Fielding scored a senate seat for Family First with 1.9% of the primary vote?The Queensland Nielsen poll is extremely interesting, given the results for the Senate. The results of the poll were: ALP 31% LNP 45% GRN 8% PUP 8% KAP 4% OTH 4%I put those figures through Antony Green’s ”Senate Calculator” below. The results were amazing. There are 3 ALP senators and 3 LNP senators up for re-election. Now I don’t know the break-up of “Other Parties” (4%), but adjusted the prior 2010 figures already in the calculator as best I could. I don’t think they really make that big a difference. The results came out as follows: LNP ALP LNP ALP LNP PUP Glenn Lazarus of the Palmer United Party becomes a Senator for Queensland come July 1, 2014, and the ALP loses a Senate seat. The absolute irony is that the final seat came down to this: PUP KAP GRNThe Greens’ preferences (the smallest quota of the three) flowed to the Palmer United Party. So Sen. Christine Milne and her merry band of little green munchkins have elected a candidate of the “billionaire” coal polluting and CO2 producing baron, Professor Clive Palmer. I think the word I’m looking for is “irony”And it gets better - a bit of historical background from the calculator site;We have assumed that all votes are ticket votes. At past Federal elections, around 95-98% of mainland voters, and 80-85% of Tasmanian voters, fill in their ballot paper using the group ticket ('above the line') voting option. Given the number of candidates contesting this year's election, the rate of group ticket voting may be even higher in 2013.I personally am gobsmacked by that percentage. But congratulations, Mr Palmer. And thanks a lot, Chrissie. Not. :vomit:

[Knackers 696]

The labour NBN would do wonders for many work places like mine.I have to send and recieve large 3D files all over the world' date=' we have live confrence calls to share screens and what not on the daily. As the rest of the world gets better internet, its these facets of business that will struggle and fall behind the rest.Even my indian based counterparts will be laughing at our speeds in a couple years [/quote']You'll still be able to get fibre to your premises, YOU will have to pay for it by yourself, thats all. Don't see why I should pay for it if I don't need it. You will also not be burdened by higher taxes and ongoing costs because we all won't be paying for FTTP for the 90% of people who don't need it.

[Des 818]

Some you like!Some you don't like!Don't be a sheep and follow someone else's choices!I found this site very helpful;https://www.clueyvoter.comSo put together and prepare your own senate ticket. Print it out before you go and vote.Cheers, Des

[Ale 301]

I didnt know that Knackers, cheers.Sounds like a logistical nightmare, can imagine the protocols involved to make it happen, and Im sure the "private" contractors doing it will rub their hands together.Just the liberal way I guess

[Tacklebags 404]

The labour NBN would do wonders for many work places like mine.I have to send and recieve large 3D files all over the world' date=' we have live confrence calls to share screens and what not on the daily. As the rest of the world gets better internet' date=' its these facets of business that will struggle and fall behind the rest.Even my indian based counterparts will be laughing at our speeds in a couple years [/quote'']You'll still be able to get fibre to your premises, YOU will have to pay for it by yourself, thats all. Don't see why I should pay for it if I don't need it. You will also not be burdened by higher taxes and ongoing costs because we all won't be paying for FTTP for the 90% of people who don't need it.

Yep labors push for their NBN is good for business but how many poeple in their own homes require it? Just because the youth want instant gratification when downloading illegal movies matters not to me.Add in labor's fringe benefits tax changes and their position on marine parks and this election sees them placed terribly on that vote paper Des put up for my situation.Lower than ever before anyway.

[Tacklebags 404]

http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/fishos-being-urged-to-make-their-votes-count

[Ugly4Life 41]

Yep labors push for their NBN is good for business but how many poeple in their own homes require it? Just because the youth want instant gratification when downloading illegal movies matters not to me.

I've got to pull you up on this because that's not the only thing that the youth want and I don't think generalizing helps. A lot of people, myself included, aren't pirates at all but still have use for this type of high bandwidth. I'd love to run my own twitch.tv channel for gaming for instance, something which I could never do on my current connection. I'd love to be able to have a seamless video link with any of my friends or family any time. I'd quickly take advantage of many services that would only be available with a very large bandwidth, including medical services and education services. All of these things also mean Australian money and jobs and I'll happily pay for them because as I said, I'm not a freeloader (pirate).I think all of these things should be available to everyone, not just those living within a few hundred meters of a good exchange. If we're going to build this thing it's my opinion that we do it right and not need to upgrade again in 20 years when the rest of the world has moved on. Granted Labor have managed the whole thing piss poorly, but I don't think that has any reflection on the actual idea of nationwide FTTH.

[TT 2]

Yep labors push for their NBN is good for business but how many poeple in their own homes require it? Just because the youth want instant gratification when downloading illegal movies matters not to me.

I've got to pull you up on this because that's not the only thing that the youth want and I don't think generalizing helps. A lot of people' date=' myself included' date=' aren't pirates at all but still have use for this type of high bandwidth. I'd love to run my own twitch.tv channel for gaming for instance, something which I could never do on my current connection. I'd love to be able to have a seamless video link with any of my friends or family any time. I'd quickly take advantage of many services that would only be available with a very large bandwidth, including medical services and education services. All of these things also mean Australian money and jobs and I'll happily pay for them because as I said, I'm not a freeloader (pirate).I think all of these things should be available to everyone, not just those living within a few hundred meters of a good exchange. If we're going to build this thing it's my opinion that we do it right and not need to upgrade again in 20 years when the rest of the world has moved on. Granted Labor have managed the whole thing piss poorly, but I don't think that has any reflection on the actual idea of nationwide FTTH.[/quote'']I was just about to post something extremely similar to this Ugly.TB while it is a fact and one that is true that a large portion of society do I fact pirate and this hurts a manner of industries. It was a fairly gross generalisation in the claim that the youth only downloads movies illegally.I have never and have made a conscience effort to never illegally download movies. Call me old fashioned but I actually enjoy buying or borrowing a movie from a store. Something about putting a disc in after purchase gets me amped up. In addition the security, speed and stability of a properly produced or rendered film.Furthermore, as Ugly said there are such a vast range of instances where a high upload and download speed is warranted.I do some mild gaming and if anyone has seen a server; ping is a massive annoyance not only for myself but for all players. Having a speedy connection would most certainly help. I love TV streaming, a high bandwidth allows for easily multinational viewing.I watch many HD YouTube videos not only leisure but for hobbyist, niche and educative purposes I am into movie and media production. My friend is currently making a sporting mix tape. He runs a Mac and needs the files in a certain specific type. If I can convert them for him, with my tech knowledge and upload them/email them to him speedily that has got to be a good thing! It not only helps me to send them but for him to make them. Which is in turn less time wasted uploading more time spent; rendering, converting and editing etcThere are a massive range of uses not only on a personal basis but a social and generative basis. I currently like the choice of a Fibre rollout, with the choice of then fibre cables to the home, means for who wants it can have it! I do acknowledge the large amount of media piracy but that's not enough to warrant the generalisation of a generation!

[Tacklebags 404]

Yep labors push for their NBN is good for business but how many poeple in their own homes require it? Just because the youth want instant gratification when downloading illegal movies matters not to me.

I've got to pull you up on this because that's not the only thing that the youth want and I don't think generalizing helps. A lot of people' date=' myself included' date=' aren't pirates at all but still have use for this type of high bandwidth. I'd love to run my own twitch.tv channel for gaming for instance, something which I could never do on my current connection. I'd love to be able to have a seamless video link with any of my friends or family any time. I'd quickly take advantage of many services that would only be available with a very large bandwidth, including medical services and education services. All of these things also mean Australian money and jobs and I'll happily pay for them because as I said, I'm not a freeloader (pirate).I think all of these things should be available to everyone, not just those living within a few hundred meters of a good exchange. If we're going to build this thing it's my opinion that we do it right and not need to upgrade again in 20 years when the rest of the world has moved on. Granted Labor have managed the whole thing piss poorly, but I don't think that has any reflection on the actual idea of nationwide FTTH.[/quote'']I was just about to post something extremely similar to this Ugly.TB while it is a fact and one that is true that a large portion of society do I fact pirate and this hurts a manner of industries. It was a fairly gross generalisation in the claim that the youth only downloads movies illegally.I have never and have made a conscience effort to never illegally download movies. Call me old fashioned but I actually enjoy buying or borrowing a movie from a store. Something about putting a disc in after purchase gets me amped up. In addition the security, speed and stability of a properly produced or rendered film.Furthermore, as Ugly said there are such a vast range of instances where a high upload and download speed is warranted.I do some mild gaming and if anyone has seen a server; ping is a massive annoyance not only for myself but for all players. Having a speedy connection would most certainly help. I love TV streaming, a high bandwidth allows for easily multinational viewing.I watch many HD YouTube videos not only leisure but for hobbyist, niche and educative purposes I am into movie and media production. My friend is currently making a sporting mix tape. He runs a Mac and needs the files in a certain specific type. If I can convert them for him, with my tech knowledge and upload them/email them to him speedily that has got to be a good thing! It not only helps me to send them but for him to make them. Which is in turn less time wasted uploading more time spent; rendering, converting and editing etcThere are a massive range of uses not only on a personal basis but a social and generative basis. I currently like the choice of a Fibre rollout, with the choice of then fibre cables to the home, means for who wants it can have it! I do acknowledge the large amount of media piracy but that's not enough to warrant the generalisation of a generation!

Yep I concede my post was poorly written and seen as a generalisation of youth only piracy. My generalisation was really aiming at the 'instant gratification' rather than the illegal aspect but mixing them in the same sentence was wrong.Sure we all want efficient services to be competitive from a business position but how many ways do we need to be constantly connected to the net in our personal lives before reality is lost?Todays kids determine election votes on internet speed....our fathers were voting to avoid being sent to war.

[TT 2]

Yep labors push for their NBN is good for business but how many poeple in their own homes require it? Just because the youth want instant gratification when downloading illegal movies matters not to me.

I've got to pull you up on this because that's not the only thing that the youth want and I don't think generalizing helps. A lot of people' date=' myself included' date=' aren't pirates at all but still have use for this type of high bandwidth. I'd love to run my own twitch.tv channel for gaming for instance, something which I could never do on my current connection. I'd love to be able to have a seamless video link with any of my friends or family any time. I'd quickly take advantage of many services that would only be available with a very large bandwidth, including medical services and education services. All of these things also mean Australian money and jobs and I'll happily pay for them because as I said, I'm not a freeloader (pirate).I think all of these things should be available to everyone, not just those living within a few hundred meters of a good exchange. If we're going to build this thing it's my opinion that we do it right and not need to upgrade again in 20 years when the rest of the world has moved on. Granted Labor have managed the whole thing piss poorly, but I don't think that has any reflection on the actual idea of nationwide FTTH.[/quote'']I was just about to post something extremely similar to this Ugly.TB while it is a fact and one that is true that a large portion of society do I fact pirate and this hurts a manner of industries. It was a fairly gross generalisation in the claim that the youth only downloads movies illegally.I have never and have made a conscience effort to never illegally download movies. Call me old fashioned but I actually enjoy buying or borrowing a movie from a store. Something about putting a disc in after purchase gets me amped up. In addition the security, speed and stability of a properly produced or rendered film.Furthermore, as Ugly said there are such a vast range of instances where a high upload and download speed is warranted.I do some mild gaming and if anyone has seen a server; ping is a massive annoyance not only for myself but for all players. Having a speedy connection would most certainly help. I love TV streaming, a high bandwidth allows for easily multinational viewing.I watch many HD YouTube videos not only leisure but for hobbyist, niche and educative purposes I am into movie and media production. My friend is currently making a sporting mix tape. He runs a Mac and needs the files in a certain specific type. If I can convert them for him, with my tech knowledge and upload them/email them to him speedily that has got to be a good thing! It not only helps me to send them but for him to make them. Which is in turn less time wasted uploading more time spent; rendering, converting and editing etcThere are a massive range of uses not only on a personal basis but a social and generative basis. I currently like the choice of a Fibre rollout, with the choice of then fibre cables to the home, means for who wants it can have it! I do acknowledge the large amount of media piracy but that's not enough to warrant the generalisation of a generation!

Yep I concede my post was poorly written and seen as a generalisation of youth only piracy. My generalisation was really aiming at the 'instant gratification' rather than the illegal aspect but mixing them in the same sentence was wrong.Sure we all want efficient services to be competitive from a business position but how many ways do we need to be constantly connected to the net in our personal lives before reality is lost?Todays kids determine election votes on internet speed....our fathers were voting to avoid being sent to war.

I do hope you do not think I was having a go at you TB.I whole heart idly agree there is massive portion of society in general that pirate.And unfortunately Internet is a massive vote swinger, the intelligence in voting like that I do not know but as much as we may not like it; it legitametley is a deal breaker for many young voters.As for those voting against the war, these men and their labour where the economic backbone and still provide for the economic stability and strength we have today, and I have nothing but the upmost respect for them. Cheers mate and have a good one! TT

[Tacklebags 404]

Not at all TT and I wouldn't blame you if you were.When I 're read it I didn't like it either.Both yours and U4Ls responses were measured and informative.Cheers TB

[wisdom 0]

Starting to sound like a mutual admiration society !

[Ugly4Life 41]

Sure we all want efficient services to be competitive from a business position but how many ways do we need to be constantly connected to the net in our personal lives before reality is lost?

Lol' date=' I could write a ten page essay on this topic. It's something I've devoted a lot of time thinking about, since I am one of those people who are constantly connected. I will save everyone the bore and not do it here, since a fishing forum is not really the place for a detailed analysis of our interconnected lives! :PI will just say that, whether people like it or not, the future is digital. That's where jobs are heading, services are heading, products are heading. Burying our heads in the sand to that fact is (ironically) not facing reality and leaves our kids with the problem of catching up to the rest of the world.

Todays kids determine election votes on internet speed....our fathers were voting to avoid being sent to war.

Same as TT, I have nothing but the greatest respect for our veterans and our current service men and women, but that being said, I can't help but think if that's all this generation has to worry about by comparison, then we must not be doing too badly.

[Tacklebags 404]

Starting to sound like a mutual admiration society !

Well there is at times a lot to admire from the society of rec fishers on here. Certainly a great place to keep informed, see issues through the eyes of others perspectives etc....For someone like me who contributes to recreational fishing positions behind the scenes, S&H is important when seeking to represent the various needs of our states anglers.

[Knackers 696]

Starting to sound like a mutual admiration society !

like me who contributes to recreational fishing positions

I contibute often to fishing in the "stand-up lean against the gunwale" and sometimes the "sit in comfy camp chair watch surf rod in pole" positions.

[Tacklebags 404]

Starting to sound like a mutual admiration society !

like me who contributes to recreational fishing positions

I contibute often to fishing in the "stand-up lean against the gunwale" and sometimes the "sit in comfy camp chair watch surf rod in pole" positions.

Ha, at salt creek a freak wave once had me in the 'floating on a blanket of white water' position. Not as desirable a position on a freezing cold morning with water filled waders on.... :woohoo:

[rotare 491]

All this debate over internet speeds..... seriously, spend a day where I live and deal with inconsistent wireless speeds we endure..... and any proposal by anyone to improve what we currently have will be greeted by tears of joy

[Knackers 696]

Starting to sound like a mutual admiration society !

like me who contributes to recreational fishing positions

I contibute often to fishing in the "stand-up lean against the gunwale" and sometimes the "sit in comfy camp chair watch surf rod in pole" positions.

Ha' date=' at salt creek a freak wave once had me in the 'floating on a blanket of white water' position. Not as desirable a position on a freezing cold morning with water filled waders on.... :woohoo:[/quote']Happened twice to me. Once asleep on the FWC on a beautiful day copped a bit of wash. The best one was late last year on the opposite bank of the murray mouth (on the spit). Had a fire going and everything and a rather large wave on the incoming tide actually came over the top of the bank (wave action and tides had deposited quite a large bank that appeared above high water mark) that we were sitting behind, rods about 10 feet away. I was asleep with waders on head facing towards the water. Result, water all down inside my waders, fire was put out. No chance of drowning because the wave couldn't wash back and we had 100m of "beach" between us and the coorong itself. Luckily I had had a few medicianl ports prior to this so was no badly effected.

[Knackers 696]

All this debate over internet speeds..... seriously' date=' spend a day where I live and deal with inconsistent wireless speeds we endure..... and any proposal by anyone to improve what we currently have will be greeted by tears of joy [/quote']I'm hearing you. But if labor cannot deliver two websites, fuel and grocery watch, what chance do you think they can deliver an NBN and not get ripped off big time, get shoddy results and huge delays? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/thousands-of-faults-hit-rushed-nbn/story-e6frgaif-1226712731555And here is a left wing paper about a labor state government getting screwed because they do not understand business. They do understand about unions, working in politicians offices etc though :silly: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/alp-did-not-investigate-myki-problems-in-planning-stage-20120821-24kna.html

[Tacklebags 404]

What's with those greens popup banners on here?I don't think my tablet can take many more punches n headbutts.....

[chuckemback 0]

Steve G lost the seat of Hindmarsh . "you get what you deserve"

[kon 300]

chuckembackAm I thinking what you`re thinking...in terms of karma...regarding his tie-ins with the Valentine`s Day [shark tackle restrictions] Massacre?

[chuckemback 0]

Yes Kon , you are correct.