Underpants 1,543 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Been using the Albright Knot for my lighter lure casting outfits; 5-12lb braid with 2-3m of 8-15lb flourocarbon leader. I always tighten the knot down and cut the tag ends nice & short with a tiny dab of super glue on each. Nevertheless ive experienced issues with the knot catching at the smaller guides, seems to flip sideways or the leader tag catches the main line. Recon the knot is too 'long' creating a longer than necessary section that is rigid. Dont like how leader tag faces forward where its more likely to catch (even tho i try to smooth it with the bit of super glue too) & doesnt perform to my satisfaction. A mate swears by the Slim Beauty, looks a bit messy but is pretty small and the leader tag faces backwards...... should i learn the FG? Experiences/recommendations please! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 19 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Double uni works for me with my light surf outfits for lure casting Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
piratepom 3,197 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Yeah I use double Uni as well for all my lighter lines (4-8lb) and use the Albright with the heavier lines (15-30lb). Never had any problems with either. Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 706 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 FG Knot worth learning ....absolutely awsome Knot . I use it in the river and havent had one fail yet .And never had to use lighters or glue. Casts great . This way I found Easiest ....there are a few different ways to tie it but this one I found quick and easy. piratepom, pauly s, jezac and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Benwah 92 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I was having the same problem with the Improved Albright. Switching to the Slim Beauty did the trick for me. Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pauly s 426 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I use slim beauty for my lighter stuff but learnt the fg from that video cheif put up and thats how i join my wind ons to braid and if i was gna chase kings or sambos with lures thats the knot id use to my leader Its easy as once youve tied it couple times Chief 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plankton 725 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I've been using a slim beauty for awhile now, but the way I learned to tie it is a bit different to most ways I've seen online, my version is a bit slimmer, easier to tie and seems strong enough. I used to use a uni to uni but I found I was having to retie often as the knot gets pretty beat up going through the guides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kuerschie 2,309 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I've only used the double uni for all my leader knots under 20lb and never had any problems. But the FG knot is a really good knot to learn and the more you practice it, the easier and less time you'll spend tying it. Chief 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rooboy123 9 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Double uni or the slim beauty for me too. Seems to work for all my bottom bashing and casting needs. Originally I wasn't tying the "correct" slim beauty, but the kaneit version, which starts the same in the leader(with the figure 8) but has a uni at the braid end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bricks 24 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Slim beauty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Station49 33 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 I personally use a double unit but gave also dabbled with the FG. I'd also suggest your leader is simply too long. I've been fishing artificials almost exclusively (and very successfully) for the last 10 years and my personal opinion on leader length is 5-6 foot, some people will tell you otherwise, but I've never had a problem on the light gear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Underpants 1,543 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Thanks folks. Will learn the slim beauty and FG, see what im more comfortable with. The double uni is already in my arsenal as the in the easier leader knot to tie out on the water when the pre tied leader busts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShoreJigger 171 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 To all the FG tyers here, buy one of these.. I bought one early last year, it will give you perfect FGs first time every time. I think I tie them in 2-3 minutes now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hiramasa 32 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I use the Surgeons Knot mate, very simple but very strong. Easy to tie in the dark and in rough seas. Check it out on YouTube. Ale 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knackers 696 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 I use an improved Bristol knot. You don't have to tie a bimini just double the braid over. Very quick to tie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Slim beauty!! Bimini is mainly for competition fishing. Bimini though is( when done perfectly and joined to leader exactly in the middle of loop so strands are even) one of the few 99-100% strength knots there are. In practical applications though, it has the drawback of making too much resistance going through the eyes of the rod for casting! Also I have found that while the Bimini end is ultra strong, the end the leader is attached is much weaker, sort of defeats the object. When mine did part, was always in this place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Slim beauty casts very well as the tail from the mono is in the middle of the knot. Back 2 back uni is good enough when fishing shorter leaders where knot isn't wound through the eyes. No offence, but that FG knot looks ridiculously complicated! Slim beauty I use is uni with 3-5wraps for braid side and 5 times around raid with mono up, then straight back down between braid and mono where both strands meet the uni knot. The Most important part is plenty of spit on the knots to stop friction when pulled tight, and slowly pulled tight! Esp with lighter leaders!!! The thinner the braid, the more wraps I do for the uni knot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pauly s 426 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 The way the fg is shown in the video is easy.. Unless you cant get your head around a half hitch to lock it off :-S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 Just looks like that old saying about not being able to tie nots, so tying lots Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 It would be abit hard doing it that way when ure wading in the water too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rod 773 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 G'day I've usually used a double uni knot but found it a bit of a pain with a long heavy leader and a tuna on the end. I'm gunna give that FG not a whirl next summer, thanks Chief Cheers Rod Chief 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 It does have it's applications! Only having some fun... For thin braid to thick leader, I have had problems with the slim beauty and back to back uni knot. But for light tackle, up to 8 lb... It's very unnecessary. Slim beauty is definitely tops for me! Ure a very serious bunch... I do know that half hitches do come undone sometimes after going through the gides over and over again. Even clove hitch on nylon tends to slip eventually. Chief 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pauly s 426 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Lucky there's 8 odd to come undone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Gets annoying, if u leave the tail abit longer do it doesn't come undone, gets stuck in the guides. Shorter, keeps coming undone, then it gets stuck in the guides also. But I'll admit, there aren't too many other options for thick to thin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 706 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Tie the FG at home properly and it should last a three day or weekender. when I'm finished a trip I come home and start again, retie it. Nothing catches in the guides when casting and normally I don't have a problem with half hitches coming undone as long as the last one I do I pass through loop 3 or 4 times. If you get a bust off using this knot you haven't set your DRAG properly.......I've been spooled before cracking this knot with the drag set above line rate. Took me a while to master but I trust it so much now that I cant not use it ...Its just that gooda knot. Cheers and happy birthday to all the Horses . Moggy23 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moggy23 625 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 FG knot for me too, When fishin around razorfish beds, I need decent leader of around 70 lbs to 30 lb braid, never busted this knot, In fact had to tie the braid to a cleat to break of the snagged hook. Casts fine for me with an overhead reel Chief 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 was about to say... On 30-70lb, you'd break your rod before you broke that! what u fishing for??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moggy23 625 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 was about to say... On 30-70lb, you'd break your rod before you broke that! what u fishing for??? Usually snapper, but cause of some the areas we fish, you never know what you may hook up, so some stopping power is needed. I know it's overkill, but thats how I like it. My best rod of 3 yrs is the overhead 5-8 kg TCurve & haven't broken it yet. avidanglr1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I got a 2-4kg t-curve it's hard to fish with anything else after!! Just wish they made a nano t-curve! Been thinking of buying a nano tech of some description.... Hard to change when u get attached to 1 rod! I used to fish heavy, got a shimano Trinidad wide spool with mono on it (only coz it would cost a fortune to fill with braid) on an Ian miller live fibre 8-10 kg surf rod... Well it was a surf rod, till I cut 60cm off the butt at the shop I purchased it. No offence, but I don't really get the whole long butt thing over here?? 20-30cm for me is perfect! Butt sits against lower abdomen, and pump and wind. They almost refused to let me have it after I asked if they had a hacksaw and started measuring where to cut :) ... Anyway, after nothing but stingrays and eagle rays and doggies, and after being spooled a few times while trying to catch live bait or anything else to pass the time with my old team Diana Tierra 4-8lb (by genuine he'd shaking bumping) sum things... I just lost interest in my stop anything weapon. I haven't really known any good spots to try it though. I'm still learning. My biggest stick I fish with is my Tierra 8-17 lb with Tierra 3000. Also 30 lb braid, normally don't go heavier than 40lb leader. Got my pb snapper on 20lb. Graphite is amazing!! Unless u highstick them..... Heartbreak in learning experience!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Sorry, abit off topic but I used a slim beauty knot for 30lb braid to 20lb Fluro up to 40 lb. holds well! Tried 6lb braid to 12 lb leader with both slim and uni.... Just doesn't work! Wouldn't pull tight... Had to do 6-8-12 too many knots! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I realise u need the abrasion resistance. It really does make a difference to success going lighter though! I'm still trying to find spots, by trial and error mostly. So I need results before I can work on my best chance of actually landing everything that I hook. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moggy23 625 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Over in the Spencer Gulf for the 40 plus whiting I use a 4 -7 kg Rev. TCurve spin with 15 lb braid & 30 lb leader FG knot of course, then I have a ShoGun Hawaiian Snaps on the leader for swapping rigs. Quite often targeting these whiting there's a chance we'll land a snapper or two. This Gulf I use my Shimano Bushy Bait legend 3 -6 kg with left over 15 lb braid straight to a No 2 Hawaiian snap using a Polomar knot for the throw back whiting, well most of them. Catana 2-4 for my squid fishin, great rod these are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 I fish very light now, even started using 1lb braid with 2lb leader for yfw. Haven't broken 1 off yet. But 99% of my fishing is land based. And no big blue things to smash me up like over there! You should give 5lb a go on those whiting, I guarantee you it will make a huge difference! Any lighter is just asking for trouble! Even siglon FC sun line 6lb! It's about same diameter as most 5lb brands! Good all rounder to for abrasion, stretch and memory. Knots pull-up nice and tight too, some braids for some reason don't tie very well? Don't know what it is that causes that. But it is annoying! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moggy23 625 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 For tuna I use 30 lb Momoi for stretch when they hit hard, with a Plaited Double to a 150 lb fluoro carbon / dacron wind on leader Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brankim 945 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Short and quick pump and winds is the way for tuna! Short rods too. Once u turn their head, you goad just keep it turned! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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