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Excuse me for butting in, but this discussion seems to be spending a lot of time in the detail of who's right and who's wrong, and not a lot about the snapper closure policy.

 

I would dispute that.  To make any comment(s) on the 'snapper closure policy', whatever data is available, and in the public domain, has to be evaluated.  If the "unreliability" of that same data is shown, then one can seriously argue there is no valid informational data on which to make rational decisions.  The present dilemma arises because of PIRSA's attempt to assign a "recreational snapper allocation" based on their own studies.  However, and as is plain, the inconsistency in PIRSA's very own results, effectively negates such an undertaking.

 

Far as I can make out, the base problem is lack of rec fisher data, and how the very small existing sample can be used in any effective manner to guide policy. IMO, interpreting two rec fisher samples over 13 years (no matter how it's done) is hardly likely to result in any kind of usable outcome for decision makers.

 

That would seem a sensible conclusion, however it is one which PIRSA will not countenance.

 

If Kon is "very wrong on this whole topic", perhaps you'd care to set the record straight.

 

Kon is wrong, and no 'big words' or 'machinations' by him will correct this; although he clearly stated for the record that "I have no issue with being appraised of any "new" information, perspectives or interpretations", his subsequent actions indicate the exact opposite.  The basic problem here is Kon 'invented' a value then tried to use it to further an overall argument.  Continually throughout our discussions he deflects the factual objective data and tries to transform the whole matter into an argument about how his personal character is constantly maligned.  There are many themes within this Forum I know little or nothing about.  If I post some 'nonsense' in such areas I would expect those people who know to correct me.  That correction can be either terse or diplomatic, but at the end I should be sensible enough to realize my limitations and naivety.

 

In your opinion, what needs to be corrected, in what way should it be corrected, and what conclusion(s) do you arrive at?

 

PIRSA need to correct this information, or clearly state why their own data is so inconsistent.  If PIRSA refuses then it is up to all of us who can, to prepare a thorough report of where and why PIRSA is wrong and present it to both PIRSA and the general community.

 

If anyone's interested, it's my belief that the collection of rec fishing data in SA is abysmal and always has been abysmal.

Until that changes, this kind of debate will be endless. Policy decisions need to be informed by more than a "finger in the wind".

 

I generally agree with your sentiments, but feel some good, but unappreciated work, has been done

 

 

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