yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I'm predominantly light line user - so I never really though about how much tension -"running the line through my fingers" while spooling - was putting on the line I imagine its well under a kilo - but I havent tested it. But it is something I will be thinking about in the future on all reels. If I'm going to be running 3kg of drag on an outfit - the line should be spooled on with 3kg of tension. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 One issue I can see is - if you dont have a spooling machine - getting that sort of tension by winding line on with the reel might do some damage to the reels gears - because you never real it on that tight while fighting a fish ie - you dont wind line on while the drag is running Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doobie 5,802 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I spool mono through my gloved fingers with some tension, but have no idea what that tension would be. I'll spool braid with more tension through my gloved fingers though due to not wanting the braid to be loose and creating knots/bird nest within a few casts. But one thing I don't know how to or understand, is using xkg of drag on the reel. Twisting that dial to get a certain drag in weight tension is beyond me, so I just tighten or loosen as necessary Cal and yellow door 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 I use digital luggage scales to set mine - then just dont touch the dial for that session. After a while - you get to know what certain drag settings feel like with different braids - You just pull line off the spool against the drag - I know I've gone too far if my fingers start bleeding plankton 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plankton 725 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 When you put mono on a reel you don't want to put any stretch in the line. Just using your fingers is enough to get it on firmly but not overly tight. Braid should be put on the reel with as much tension as possible. It has no stretch and getting it on tightly will eliminate lots of issues. I use the phone book method. Find a phone book (I've got one I kept just for this job). Set the drag on the reel pretty high. Run the line through the middle on the book and put weight on top until the rod bends under the pressure of winding. I use boxes of jigs usually. Obviously the amount of weight needed will vary depending on the outfit and line strength. yellow door 1 and Tinker 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plankton 725 Posted July 7, 2019 Report Share Posted July 7, 2019 14 hours ago, yellow door 1 said: One issue I can see is - if you dont have a spooling machine - getting that sort of tension by winding line on with the reel might do some damage to the reels gears - because you never real it on that tight while fighting a fish ie - you dont wind line on while the drag is running If your reel's gears get damaged winding on line under tension then it's a piece of crap. yellow door 1 and Tinker 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 hours ago, plankton said: When you put mono on a reel you don't want to put any stretch in the line. Just using your fingers is enough to get it on firmly but not overly tight. Braid should be put on the reel with as much tension as possible. It has no stretch and getting it on tightly will eliminate lots of issues. I use the phone book method. Find a phone book (I've got one I kept just for this job). Set the drag on the reel pretty high. Run the line through the middle on the book and put weight on top until the rod bends under the pressure of winding. I use boxes of jigs usually. Obviously the amount of weight needed will vary depending on the outfit and line strength. Yeah the reason I swallowed everything being said in that vid is because it was being said by Peter Pakula - he's always struck me as a thinking angler with many years of experience. It would be interesting to see how much drag is added by the yellow pages method - I might just give it a crack - thanks Pakula did mention you can turn 8kg mono line into 5.5kg line through friction during the spooling process. I usually use wet gloves to counteract this - I also used to submerge my braid spools in water while spooling but I've been told this can cause problems with spool corrosion - I've never experienced any - but some blokes recommend against it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 hours ago, plankton said: If your reel's gears get damaged winding on line under tension then it's a piece of crap. Yeah theres every chance of that - but it is rare to find a manufacturer that doesnt recommend the pump and wind technique when retrieving line. If you try to use a reel as a "recovery winch" against heavy drags - it going to age many times faster than one that is used correctly - thats what I was referring to when I mentioned "damage to gears". Maybe I should have said "Premature aging" You could do a few years worth of wear and tear just spooling up against a heavy drag - because if you pump and wind while fishing - your gears would never see that sort of pressure in the field Obviously the pressures you're using dont make this a problem - but the heavier the setting - the more potential for wear and tare while spooling up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Ok so the results are in - results may differ depending on whose cook book you use Couldnt find any phone books, so I had to use a heavy cook book With 8lb braid and no weight - dragging the line through took about 115g of pull with a 4kg weight - about 320g with 40lb braid and no weight - about 240g with 4kg of weight - about 660g with 8kg of weight - abut 1kg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 forgot to add - with 8lb braid and 8kg of weight - about 680g Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lofty64 1,309 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 OH MY GOD go fishing ….? Hunter69 and plankton 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, lofty64 said: OH MY GOD go fishing ….? For some people catching a fish is a bonus - for me - it just gets in the way of my true passion - testing things noone else cares about p.s. - if you think your bored now - wait til you see the video Squid Inc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,814 Posted July 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just ran 150m of 30lb braid through the book with 1.1kg of force. I was reeling as fast as I could and the line barely got to "luke warm" - by the time I touched the book - I couldnt notice any rise in temp on the paper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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