Long lines off Ardrossan

[Jack. 10]

While a lot of us have been Fishing deep drops off and around Ardrossan, the longliners have been cleaning up inshore, particularly around and just sout of Black Point.I was told this while chatting in a tackle store, and other mates have heard the same at their local tackle shops.The fish were obviously there in big schools and while some of us rec anglers have enjoyed some fun times of late, I understand the run has been halted by hundreds of tonnes of fish being taken by the commercial guys with over 200 hooks out at a time.Now I know it their living and the economy etc. But as a rec. Fisher it is still heartbreaking to hear. Especially since I believe a 21.5kg snapper was taken on a long line :(Just makes me feel better discussing it and I'm interested in other peoples views

[urhookedfish 12]

Yeah it kills me.When you see the quality of fish in Coles its appauling(Ie vary rarely do you see fresh snapper). Very rarely do you see these good fish anywhere but in fish markets, so the average Joe Blow shopper doesnt get to eat them anyway.It breaks my heart to see fish like that pulled up as the fat layer up around the shoulder of those fish is terrible and the eating quality of that fish is pretty average to say the least!!But from what Ive heard the fish will be mounted so all is not lost...it truely was a trophy fish thats for sure.But the amounts of fish these guys take is a major concern of mine.They can quickly turn what would of been a great year into an average year by pulling in tonnes and tonnes of fish that the reccies now dont get a chance to catch as they are no longer swimming.:dry: :ohmy:

[Dubs The Tackle Man 0]

I can see both sides of the story here as I've done some fishing for a few pros. It's there living they have paid that money to fish they way they do and take the fish they take, unfortunatly it means some of us reco's may miss out but there are a lot of snapper in the fishery no matter how many they take.I agree that it cant be helping the fish by taking that many, but its their job.Ive seen the pic of the big red a very solid fish

[clay91 3]

where do i find this pic dubs???Yeah it does suck that theyre taking a shitload of fish but then again the fisheries have the laws in place to keep them protected & able to reproduce. So it must not be hurting the species too much I'd say.

[hoopsy 697]

my thoughts...pisses me off sea rapist they are pulling these fish before they sporn and has to be stopped whats the point of a snapper ban in november when these guys are cleaning them up before they get a chance too?? when u got 9 pros in 1 area with 100 hooks each the fish dont stand a chance@dubs i understand what ur saying mate they need to make a living but its the way they are doing it if they banned long lines and made them fish the same as us even with no quotas the fish would stands a chance there would be less fish in the market(which is flooded and they are getting shit money for them)so the price would go up which ends up a win win for all and maybe in 20 years time our kids might be able to land 1 of these prize fish too BAN LONG LINERS

[clay91 3]

Yeah i do see your point hoopsy, ban should be october & november then hey

[Jack. 10]

I'm trying to see both sidesI feel what your saying hoops but it's a tough one.I think deep down to be honest I would like to see long lines banned too.I just can't keep my emotion out of it and think objectively, because it pisses me off quite frankly and I also think of my little boy and the condition of our fishery when he's out trying to land A big one with his son.Fisheries and quotas and sustainability etc etc blah blah, I hope it's all going to be okay.Cheers for everyones thoughts

[urhookedfish 12]

There are also a lot of other major issues at play here regarding the breeding and recruitment of Pagras Auratus in St Vincents Gulf, other than long lining and the November ban.Once you start looking into how much the seafloor habitat has changed since it was mapped in 1976, and compare it to when it was remapped in 2000, you will see a vast difference in the loss of scollop beds, ascidian (mussels which are a major food source), and a significant loss of sea grass!!Then you throw the desalination plant debate into things and you really have a question of how is the now relatively healthy population of snapper going to be in the future??. We have had a number of good years in which there has been a good number of recruits in Spencers gulf and Gulf of St Vincents. The interesting part though is that a lot of the fish that end up in this gulf come from Spencers gulf when they reach a certain age.A lot of the reasons for the fish moving are unknown.I just hope that PIRSA's models are accurate, and they seem to have done a fairly good job in the past given the different number of variables that they have had to factor in to obtain estimates on the biomass of snapper. These models have helped them calculate the best methods of protecting the species and helped them decide on which month to enforce a ban etc in our gulfs.I too hope that these fish which I love so much are there for many years to come. I don't have a son, but I sure feel for those that do and prey they are around long after the Desal plant is in use..

[the tommy king 0]

the prawn trawlers do the most damage by far. no one should blame the pro's. the prawnies basically rape the bottom of our gulf, taking everythng in its way. all the small snapper, whiting, squid and all the other sealife would struggle to come back in numbers.... thats just my opinion

[Barnett 0]

the prawn trawlers do the most damage by far. no one should blame the pro's. the prawnies basically rape the bottom of our gulf' date=' taking everythng in its way. all the small snapper, whiting, squid and all the other sealife would struggle to come back in numbers.... thats just my opinion[/quote']I agree i used too fish wallaroo alot.I used too fish north about 30km out.Some nights out there the amount of trawlers was crazy.They would have too have been scraping 100s of kms of ocean floor.Thats not good for natures system.

[4loveoffishing 0]

i was wathching out of the blue a couple of months agoon channel nine an they were on a boat fishing for whiting when they cuaght a fiarly small whiting (10 15cm)an siad that mr angelakis would use that in a special dish he makes as he can keep it due to his commercial licence so makes you wonder what really happens in the commercial fishing industry:unsure: :unsure:

[aldingabeachfisho 1]

guy had 2 longlines out at aldinga earlier in the week, which meant no fish for me

[Barnett 0]

i was wathching out of the blue a couple of months agoon channel nine an they were on a boat fishing for whiting when they cuaght a fiarly small whiting (10 15cm)an siad that mr angelakis would use that in a special dish he makes as he can keep it due to his commercial licence so makes you wonder what really happens in the commercial fishing industry:unsure: :unsure:

I dont think he can if he is recreational fishing.But i have heard years ago a pro netter can keep under size fish caught in nets. As fish caught in netts survival rate is very low.I dont know if this is true or not.

[wentworth 0]

Longlines must be banned before its too late:angry:

[OLD SALTY 0]

guy had 2 longlines out at aldinga earlier in the week' date=' which meant no fish for me[/quote']not cool mate not cool havent been out since i got back from streaky, waiting for the brownie pts to rebuild

[savage480 1]

But i have heard years ago a pro netter can keep under size fish caught in nets

Not True.So many untruths out there when it comes to commercial fishing.All commercial fishers, be it longlining, netting or any other method have to abide by exactly the same size limits for all species as us reccos.

[hoopsy 697]

hmmmm i thought simular have quite often seen undersize gar crabs ect at fish markets??

[4loveoffishing 0]

it was not recreationaly he was keeping them it was commercially but for a special dish for home when your boss you get what you want i spose if i can find the footage ill put it up it speaks for it self

[Dubs The Tackle Man 0]

fish varie between markets just because there caught here in sa doesnt mean they'll be sold here, different states have different size limits

[Piranha 76]

It's widely considered that we have one of the best managed commercial fisheries in Aus, most of the other states are looking at SA's management systems in an attempt to replicate.

[Timbo45 0]

I work in the commercial fishing industry ( I'm not a fisherman !) I was in a fishing portin the south east for work ( we have a live lobster holding facility there )and was talking to a shark fisherman who I know very well who just got into port. He was tellingme that on that trip, net fishing for sharks, he hit a patch of mulloway. Pro sharkers arealoud to keep a certain amount of scale fish by catch,not exactly sure how much he said but its not much, maybe 40kg. Anyway,the mulloway kept coming into the boat and he said that the deck was covered in them. Not wanting to throw them back he rang fisheries and askedwhat the best thing to do was owing to the fact he had so many. He was told to remove themfrom the boat ( he was still out fishing in the middle of the night).After a heateddiscussion with them, he offered to process and freeze the fish fillets free of chargeand donate them to an old folks home, a hospital or the RSL. He was willing to do all thisunder fisheries supervision and let fisheries take the fish to distribute. He was flatlytold no, and had to dump 100's of kilos of mulloway into the sea. He told me that inthe moonlight all he could see was the silverfish floating dead on the surface.Is'nt that incredible......Tim..

[Jack. 10]

Terrible

[carps 1]

i feel i may be ridiculed for saying this but who cares its what i think net fishing of any kind should be banned from all waters as it is impossible to controll your catch, i know prawns cant be caught any other way,so what dont catch them then how can any single thing be allowed that destroys so much and has no control..long lines at least they can only catch what goes to them not just rape and scrape ya way through an enviroment and hope you get what you are after, i can guarantee you if the damage they do was visible to the naked eye it would be banned a long time ago but because it cant be seen it can be ignored to a fair degree...my 3 bux worth thanks

[Jack. 10]

i feel i may be ridiculed for saying this but who cares its what i think net fishing of any kind should be banned from all waters as it is impossible to controll your catch' date=' i know prawns cant be caught any other way,so what dont catch them then how can any single thing be allowed that destroys so much and has no control..long lines at least they can only catch what goes to them not just rape and scrape ya way through an enviroment and hope you get what you are after, i can guarantee you if the damage they do was visible to the naked eye it would be banned a long time ago but because it cant be seen it can be ignored to a fair degree...my 3 bux worth thanks[/quote']Was going to just hit the thank you button, but buggger it. I agree with you one hundred percent.It really annoys me for long liners to rock up where I've just been and take out all the snapps, but those nets are a different story.If we can't effectively "TARGET" prawns with today's technology and know how then we ought to think about chucking something else on the barbie

[Timbo45 0]

I agree Carps, the wasted by catch from netters/deep sea trawlers is dreadful, but its acatch 22, humans like to eat fish, and not everyone wants to fish for them.Long lines....yes, but keep them way off shore !It's a tricky one , that's for sure !Tim....

[adamibinfishin 224]

they might have to close october and november to give them a good chance to breed,would not be a bad thing.they flood the market usually between october and november anyway.cheers

[T BONE 1]

they might have to close october and november to give them a good chance to breed' date='would not be a bad thing.they flood the market usually between october and november anyway.cheers[/quote']So that would just mean the market will be flooded in December & January then if they ever decided to extend the closed season for another month. Lets be honest how much spawning can these snapper be doing if they are getting cleaned up in massive numbers before they make it up the gulf? Do not reckon a closed season will make any difference either way. Remember there will always be plenty there until the last one is caught.

[Jack. 10]

There should be a closed season for spawning at st kilda breakwater (bear with me)I finished work early on Thursday and headed down st kilda breakwater. It was crap tide but thought "hey why not".Got there and fisheries were there, so I had a chat and great coupla fellas they were any way as I set off about 20m into the walk, I noticed a fella by the concrete blocks. As I got with in say 150m I noticed him doing a rooting type of motion :ohmy: WTF??? As I got closer, he had his missus on the concrete blocks It wasn't until I was like 50m away did they get their pants back on I was going to say hi but they were just too embarrassed. The dude had grey hair too, nice work buddy.The funny thing is that Troy Harris and his other fisheries mate had their binoculars out for a bit while I was chatting to them, so I wonder if they saw any of this illegal spawning outside of the November ban hahaha onya boys, and onya that grey haired man

[rangfish 1]

Some people have no shame :ohmy:

[the tommy king 0]

even in november the market has plenty of snapper going through it because fisherman from other states know there is a ban on over here so they freight their fish over for a better price. i work for pro's long lining. sometimes we longline a spot and get next to nothing then the next day drop the rods over there and bang there on. long lining doesnt always clean the fish up.

[adamibinfishin 224]

So that would just mean the market will be flooded in December & January then if they ever decided to extend the closed season for another month. Lets be honest how much spawning can these snapper be doing if they are getting cleaned up in massive numbers before they make it up the gulf? Do not reckon a closed season will make any difference either way. Remember there will always be plenty there until the last one is caught.howdy t-bone,i thought closures early on would benefit breeding chances for the fish so the ones that don't get caught get a chance to reproduce.at the end of the day more closures would mean more fish.only fisheries or the govt can step in and control the pros unfortunately.

[Dubs The Tackle Man 0]

correct me if Im wrong but Im pretty sure snapper dont breed/spawn during the month of November to my understanding I thought they did in october?

[Dubs The Tackle Man 0]

http://www.aquaculturecouncilwa.com/how-to-get-into-aquaculture/species/pink-snapper/spawningHave a look at this should clear a few things up

[Jack. 10]

correct me if Im wrong but Im pretty sure snapper dont breed/spawn during the month of November to my understanding I thought they did in october?

I may be wrong mate,But my understanding was that the snapper begin to aggregate/concentrate in the gulfs and feed up from about mid to late October, through November and actually do there spawning late in December/January. I don't remember where I heard this and wouldn't mind clarification.

[Dubs The Tackle Man 0]

you mat be right jack, In that link its says they start to spawn when the water temp reaches 18'c and spawn for 3-4 months, so we might both be right