Yelliwtail

3 hours ago, doobie said:

We have nothing to be ashamed about as everyone is entitled to their opinions whether others agree or not.

Obviously you have strong views and others have strong views on this topic, but your other statement wasn't necessary.

Maybe everyone should agree to disagree.

 

Yes it is warranted, as this bloke has repeatedly attacked me personally. His posts are slanderous !

1 hour ago, Jay R said:

Good points RJ and Kon,  as always, on point!!

You covered a whole lot of concerns and realityt that I’m sure many haven’t even thought about but will very well be part of reality.

 

In regards to elected members to sit on the council:

 

Last I read, The forum being included couldn’t agree on who was suitable to run for the council, they didn’t have a suitable female amongst their ranks, and their loyal leader is too busy collecting benefits and running the forum to do anything else.

They only had one person locked in, and he isn’t exactly a local.

 

As for the other 2 “organizations”, do they even have more than 3 members each to throw into the mix? I figured it was 2 guys, 2 separate organizations and a dormant laminating machine waiting for new member cards..

That’s unless they can put forward Facebook likes as sitting members?

 

Your a pig Mate,nothing short of it. All three groups that are on the council have more members than RFSA individually. What you need to get into your head is - SA voted- - RFSA is gone as the representative body July 1. The Ministers Recreational Fishing Advisory Council is on the table now. This Council and the Minister will then decide the best approach for forming the Representative body to replace RFSA. 

FB is only one avenue to communicate - but powerful enough to convince a Government to make change. 

We are having a get together night soon, all those that fought for change will be there. How about you Man up and come make those accusations face to face. Or, just hide and keep making gutless remarks about good people ! ?

This forum should be ashamed  of itself for allowing this behaviour !!

4 hours ago, Jay R said:

So you didn't block me, you had "admin" block me, but some how you don't know who I am.....If that the case, how can you be sure your admin blocked me?    You make zero sense. and as per usual going on some tangent instead of focusing on the question at hand.

The fact remains RecFish are still the peak body (initial question asked of this thread), and the liberal government have confirmed Recfish have a valid contract till next year.

The libs have again said they are looking at forming some form of council with the exact details yet to be confirmed.

But Yelliwtail, please be sure to keep us in the loop when something comes to fruition from all your hard work.

Your Avatar was blocked, it isn't hard to understand. RFSA have a contract with PIRSA until the end of June, we are on a council that deals direct with the Minister.

14 minutes ago, Yelliwtail said:

I didn't block you, another admin did- but I did see your usual constant attacks. And no I don't know who you are, so as far as I'm concerned,your a hater hiding in a dark room behind black curtains. 

Oh, and your we use handles on the internet. Well you didn't let me enjoy the same, did you. But see I haven't got anything to hide.

2 hours ago, Jay R said:

Hating? I'm just pointing out the facts Graham!!

What is this curtain you speak off? This is the internet mate, we use handles on Forums.  You'd know exactly who am if you hadn't blocked me on social media where again you refused to answer any questions I posed to you.

I wait to see your notes from this meeting!! Good luck 

I didn't block you, another admin did- but I did see your usual constant attacks. And no I don't know who you are, so as far as I'm concerned,your a hater hiding in a dark room behind black curtains. 

Hiding behind the black curtain again. I will be happy to put up the report from next weeks meeting.

Hating so much is bad for your health, maybe you should try meditation ?

On 09/08/2018 at 9:15 AM, Jay R said:

Hows this working out for you Mr Keegan?

 

Supposedly 277,000 Anglers have an invested interest in this situation, you claim to represent how many of them?

Whats the update from SAFA?

 

RecfishCENTRAL who claim to represent .08% of them has come out with the attached  "media release" admitting he and his members may have very well been shafted

libs_break_policy.pdf

Well Mr hide in the shadows, taking cheep shots. Put your glasses on, we now represent all of them - From today's Yorke Peninsula times -

The Marshall Liberal Government is moving full steam to deliver our commitment establishing a new body to be the voice of recreational fishers to government.

As promised, recreational fishers will have the chance to stand for election and be voted onto the new representative recreational fishing council.

Existing organisations like RecFishCentral will be given a seat at the table, as promised at the election.

A final consultation paper will be issued to the sector in coming weeks, with an intention for the body to be established for the new year.

Consistent with historical practice the previous government entered into a two-year funding agreement with RecFish SA which ends on 30 June 2019.

Prior to the March 2018 State Election, the Government made an election commitment entitled Representation for Recreational and Commercial Fishers.  

This commitment aims to ensure recreational fishers have much better representation and proposes to establish a new body for recreational fishers, including representatives from RecFish SA, Recfish Central, the SA Fishing Alliance and any other relevant groups.

On 09/08/2018 at 2:10 PM, kon said:

Some might suggest such a release would probably not be the most politically savvy action at this juncture. Never mind.
 

But this does add a little "hmmm" factor...

Where does a "South Australian Recreational Fishing Advisory Council" ring a bell from?
Seat/popcorn/watch...

http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/fishing/publications/fishfacts_e-newsletter/fish_facts_august_2018/new_ministers_recreational_fishing_advisory_council_for_south_australia 

 

The haters are out again -     how about you put your glasses on Mr hiding in the shadows -

From todays Yorke Peninsula Times -

The Marshall Liberal Government is moving full steam to deliver our commitment establishing a new body to be the voice of recreational fishers to government.

As promised, recreational fishers will have the chance to stand for election and be voted onto the new representative recreational fishing council.

Existing organisations like RecFishCentral will be given a seat at the table, as promised at the election.

A final consultation paper will be issued to the sector in coming weeks, with an intention for the body to be established for the new year.

Consistent with historical practice the previous government entered into a two-year funding agreement with RecFish SA which ends on 30 June 2019.

Prior to the March 2018 State Election, the Government made an election commitment entitled Representation for Recreational and Commercial Fishers.  

This commitment aims to ensure recreational fishers have much better representation and proposes to establish a new body for recreational fishers, including representatives from RecFish SA, Recfish Central, the SA Fishing Alliance and any other relevant groups.

10 hours ago, kon said:

An update arising from Tuesday night`s RFSA Forum, from Upper Spencer Gulf RFC Rep.

 

 

Not correct, the new body will be up and running in the next few months.

RFSA cant be abolished. Their peak status has been removed only. The point everybody is missing is RFSA are equally represented on the Rec Fishing Council !

Well get ready !!

You dont serm to understand policy. RFSA obviously do ! I note the AAA angling association joined our association and have put a request in to be on the Rec Council. All assocuations involved have taken note of your continuos FB slander comments. 

Policy was announced last Dec. It's included in the 100 day plan. As of yesterday RFSA removed it's Peak Body status from it's FB page.

Yes its true. RecFishSA are no longer the Peak Body. However they have a position in their own right on the New Recreational Fishing Council.

On 10/16/2017 at 1:40 PM, Jay R said:

Relax fellas, I believe SAFA and Recfish Central have it all under control !!

I mean SAFA last updated their website in 2015, and with their strong social media presence, large membership numbers, and how much they have already done, clearly things are looking up .

Add Recfish Central's inspiring u tube videos coercing Politian's to listen to the 240'000 rec's in south Australia and the Snapper will have no choice but just jump into my boat this summer..

Gee, and what have you done except whine and criticize? We have done far more submissions and media releases than the peak body. With a weekly reach of 70,000, it's not a bad result for those working as volunteers. Yes, the website has been hacked, on purpose by the way and this is being addressed, but we have many portals for discussion. Right now, there is no doubt that if SAFA and RecFish Central had not pushed issues hard, nothing would be on the table towards the election. We didn't see anybody else present to the Natural Resources committee ? Slanging off at those working their guts out to make a difference ?  Good on you !

He is referring to the South Australian Fishing Alliance. If you look on this forum you will see some of our work posted.

Out of respect to this website, we will not enter into political debate here. However you are welcome to message on this sites message stream, or email me if you would like.

Graham

South Australian Fishing Alliance

graham@safa.org.au

www.safa.org.au

RJ

You and your companions are the reason we are not active on this forum. We are a ground up organisation, it's members ( SA Fishos) dictate the direction. It is their group ! Those that have decided, they have had enough of the lies, back door deals and the slide down hill of our rights have chosen, to yell it from the hilltops. People can chose to be happy with the current situation or fight for change. We are heading for an election, and I assure you.all our cards are in place.

SA Anglers want independence, they want to make decisions for their own future ! Coming to us and pushing the same old barrows that have not worked and never will, will get a reaction, not just from us.

We have the biggest reach of any representative group now, and growing daily. Behind the scenes, we have been told that our work has greatly influenced some decisions, for the better.

Now if you followed and kept up, you would have noticed the issues around the Rec management plan, and the back door deals the Commercials have done , at our expense to feather their nest. In fact we had them taunt us with it. The abuse of our rights under the fisheries ACT, is disgusting and we will continue to highlite it.

You may not agree with the growing voice of SA Anglers, that's your choice. And people have a right to chose their Reps.

The video at the start of the thread and their others, explain very well the position we are all in.

I enclose our weekly FB reach.

CHANGE NOTHING - NOTHING CHANGES

The division in the Rec community, is the reason independent groups have jumped up. Increased conflict with commercials, PIRSA and the Government, that's excellent news. They will be dragged into the light !

Yes RJ, I was going to make the same statement.

Maybe try again....

 

Whenever this subject (representation) is discussed, it invariably becomes a debate about the merits (or not) of what we currently have, and of what might be - usually focused on all the possible negatives.

 

As a result, there is a lot of passion and opinion expressed, but no progress is made.

 

If we want change (and I'd say that everyone does), surely the first step is to agree on that one point - change is needed - and then to get as many people as possible working on what that change should look like. If we are going to continually try to guess what the future will look like and to find reasons not to do anything simply because our crystal ball views don't agree with each other, we'll be stuck in the endless loop forever.

 

We've already been doing this for far too long. For a change, we need to find some trust in our own abilities (and each other), and accept that whatever future direction is determined by our own rec fishers, it will always have some components that won't be completely agreed by everyone. In those circumstances we will all need to trust in the majority view and give it a chance to succeed.

 

If there's another way, please speak out. But let's not get bogged down in detail that may never apply to our situation in SA.

 

That's the future, and it's up to the rec fishers of SA to create it. 

Our own Rec fishers have spoken, but been ignored time and time again !

 

 

 

 

There are bigger fish to fry. As the biggest stakeholder, we are being treated like chicken little. Our rights as equal stakeholders of a shared resource, have been sold off to backroom deals with a Minister. An RFL will not fix this situation, nor will it stop the encroaching conservationists. The first move forward, should be the formation of a Rec fishing council. Here reps from the various representative groups would form an independent body. This would have a powerful voice. We need our rights under, the fisheties ACT restored, proper surveys and community impact. studies done etc. From here this council, could manage an RFL from a trust fund. Ensuring that our money is protected from abuse.

Unfortunately the pathetic response from rec fishers to the recent government attempt to ask what we wanted pretty much summed up the reason for what happens. Out of about 280K rec fishers, 800 or so turned up at the community consultations and about 1500 bothered to fill in the questionaires.

Trust funds do not ensure protection of monies from abuse, many a lawyer has diddled their trust fund & I have had first hand experience of it when my mother passed.

Only 6% of the Vic RFL goes directly to Fishng related benefits. Here the RFL money would be handled and distributed by DEWNR. I would prefer to take the punt on a Rec Fishing council, where we got to vote in our representatives, not the current situation !

Any proof of this?

 

The DEPI have annual statements on their website. Who is managing our grant money ? DEWNR !

 

 

There are bigger fish to fry. As the biggest stakeholder, we are being treated like chicken little. Our rights as equal stakeholders of a shared resource, have been sold off to backroom deals with a Minister. An RFL will not fix this situation, nor will it stop the encroaching conservationists. The first move forward, should be the formation of a Rec fishing council. Here reps from the various representative groups would form an independent body. This would have a powerful voice. We need our rights under, the fisheties ACT restored, proper surveys and community impact. studies done etc. From here this council, could manage an RFL from a trust fund. Ensuring that our money is protected from abuse.

Unfortunately the pathetic response from rec fishers to the recent government attempt to ask what we wanted pretty much summed up the reason for what happens. Out of about 280K rec fishers, 800 or so turned up at the community consultations and about 1500 bothered to fill in the questionaires.

 

Trust funds do not ensure protection of monies from abuse, many a lawyer has diddled their trust fund & I have had first hand experience of it when my mother passed.

 

Only 6% of the Vic RFL goes directly to Fishng related benefits. Here the RFL money would be handled and distributed by DEWNR. I would prefer to take the punt on a Rec Fishing council, where we got to vote in our representatives, not the current situation !

There are bigger fish to fry. As the biggest stakeholder, we are being treated like chicken little. Our rights as equal stakeholders of a shared resource, have been sold off to backroom deals with a Minister. An RFL will not fix this situation, nor will it stop the encroaching conservationists. The first move forward, should be the formation of a Rec fishing council. Here reps from the various representative groups would form an independent body. This would have a powerful voice. We need our rights under, the fisheties ACT restored, proper surveys and community impact. studies done etc. From here this council, could manage an RFL from a trust fund. Ensuring that our money is protected from abuse.

I have all the correspondence, and the timeframe. And the emails over months asking both camps to stop it. So happy to share if you want !

 

Who knows KG?

Personally I suspect that it might have something to do with the perennial "leave it to someone else" syndrome that exists within rec fishing in SA, in combination with the assertions of  some groups (primarily SAFA and RFSA) that they will provide representation on behalf of everyone.

 

If that was the case at last night's meeting, and both groups were actually providing representation at an organisational level, it certainly wasn't obvious. I did not hear one member of the audience identify themselves as a member of either SAFA or RFSA during question time.

 

Probably many other reasons for low attendance as well, but that's how I see it. Groups who claim to represent need to actually do it.

 

Cheers

 

 

And sorry, we abandoned this forum, due to personal attacks.

 

 

With respect Graham, if you (SAFA) have made the decision to abandon the forum, why respond in this thread?  

 

Either be part of the forum and share the information that comes from SAFA openly, and deal with any negative or constructive criticism (that may or may not eventuate) professionally, or don't share anything at all with us.  

 

I'm not sure what value really comes from telling us SAFA is doing a great job representing rec fisherman...... but in the next sentence imply SAFA won't have anything to do with this rec fishing forum? 

 

Cheers.

 

I was alerted to the conversation here.  And no I was forced to leave this forum, because of a wave of false allegations.