Thanks for the tips fellas on getting them through the surface film, top idea. ;)I still haven't got out there yet, and a guy I know tried bait-fishing the other week there for '0' and said that spot looked quiet. The hackle feathers are stinger cock necks from india I picked up ages ago at a clearance sale, (fly-gear less than cost), so I figured they might come in handy one day. (4 colours)So far all my flies have been tied for salt fishing, so I gather the hen and cock feathers may have different properties and uses in fresh water ?? Time for some more reading :PI'll be packing the fl