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  3. Hi Matey Dave here  ( lofty 64 ) ,

    Hey in the report it states Snapper at seaford reef ,is that in close , or out a bit just curious matey cheers buddy and come on SUMMER lol (y)

    1. doobie

      doobie

      Howdy Dave and hope you are well mate.

      I'm presuming in reasonably close, but from what i get, it is the reefy area out from Seaford Road - and around left and right.

      If you look a Google maps, there seems to a 'sandy / cleared' area out from Seaford Rd.  So directly out from that and left and right.

      Apparently it is near some Pro's Ground according to this also 

      Hope that helps, and yes, come SUMMER :)

      Cheers

      Geoff

       

    2. lofty64

      lofty64

      Cheers matey 

  4. brenton

    End of RecFish SA?

    well someones doing a shit job because plenty of fisheries are a shadow of their former selves,its all down to Pirsa then for allowing their demise? cheers b
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  6. kon

    End of RecFish SA?

    Rotare touched on three things which seem to be under the radar for most people; 1. I have always cringed at the supposed argument of "get a feed of fish for the family" - it is a recreational pastime, not some form of subsistence necessity. 2. Likewise, the bleating about "not worth putting my boat in the water for X whiting or Y snapper" - it is a recreation, not an expense-neutral exercise let alone a defacto money-making venture. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a $50K (or whatever) boat in the first place. And if cost per se is the main determinant in terms of "a feed of fish", much cheaper to go to a seafood outlet than do it from your own boat. 3. There is a difference between being "as firm as circumstances allow" and "absolutist-combative on principle" when it comes to representation. The latter, whilst all well and good in a sympathetic audience echo-chamber, is hardly an advisable approach to take (for the sake of professional image and credibility for a start) when dealing with the likes of government departments.... who are the ones who will make final determination regarding any rule changes in any case. To add another consideration to what Wahoo said - those who constantly push the theme of "what have RFSA done for us" would do well to keep in mind that, for instance, the RFSA rep at the much-derided Marine Parks "secret meeting" was in no small measure responsible for SA ending up with closer to 6% than 10% SZ content. But the nature of the beast is what it is - "wins" are relatively infrequent, at best the wolves are kept from the door for the most part. The new RFC (or is it RFAC now?) will have to put up with all the same stuff...
  7. Wahoo

    End of RecFish SA?

    After reading all of the comments posted lately it seems to me that there's a perception that because things didn't go the way some people wanted them to then RecfishSA didn't fight on their behalf and just rolled over and let PIRSA do what they want. Were you there? Were you in the room during these negotiations? I was in the room at the bag & boat limit discussions and had to sign a confidentiality agreement to be there, as did everybody in the room. All I can say is that RFSA fought their arses off to prevent the KGW bag limit reduction as did I and just about everybody else that was present. PIRSA went ahead and reduced them anyway. The Libs have stated that RFSA will be part of the new recreational fishing council, personally, if I were part of RFSA I would be thinking long and hard about whether I wanted the continued grief and hand it all over for someone else to cop it all. 'Coz make no mistake, the new team will cop it just as much as the old team when things don't go our way, and there will be things that go against our collective wishes, that's the nature of the beast. Having just potentially burned my bridges with the above disclosure I may well not be accepted anyway were I to be dumb enough to put my hand up. Why dumb? because I'm too thin skinned to cop the online abuse when things go awry. No offence to anybody is intended, if any is taken I apologize in advance. Go for your lives, I won't be back online 'til next Wednesday. Cheers Wahoo
  8. rotare

    End of RecFish SA?

    Dave, I reckon most rec fisherman would welcome a better level of representation. However what I reckon has been a turn off by many is the behaviour by some of the representative groups. Tit for tat shit slinging online, the lack of open conversation of different views and opinions, hard line views, then the total alienation with the commercial sector. Perhaps this is what some people think is needed? Personally I feel that a much more collaborate and pragmatic approach is required, which isn't where we are headed IMHO. I'd like to also respond to some of your points in your previous posts: I would, and do. I have the 20ft boat and the 4X4. The effort to drive down to Cape Jervis and chase tuna, is not much more than launching the same boat and fishing the passage for snapper. Most people who make the effort to chase tuna, don't just chase tuna. Throughout the day they'll come across nice bits of bottom structure whilst trolling and stop and have a fish. More often than not a tuna trip will see you come home with your esky not only filled with tuna, but nannies, snapper and trevally. Then there's the by catch that you get whilst trolling, including big arse salmon, snook and the occasional kingfish. If people are travelling that far, chasing tuna only, then they're doing it all wrong.... See, your response here is typical and is exactly the point I was making at the start. It's the condescending tone and your point that Jay R must have some hidden agenda. He stated his position, yet why the need to question it? Perhaps it's because he has a different take on things than you? And again. I'm guessing you must know Jay R well to know how often he's fishing? Or are you just speculating as it supports your argument? If your justification for going fishing is based purely on kilo's of fish you can catch..... you're fishing for the wrong reasons. If you're worried about the cost per kg of fish you catch, just buy it from the market as I can guarantee it's more cost effective and much less effort than catching it yourself.... Once again you're implying that Jay R has some hidden agenda because his experience is different yours. Why don't you just say you think he's lying and he's likely a commercial fisherman? If you're talking about acting like the unions have in Australia, all the best with that approach as history shows how well that worked for most longer term. Anyways, I'm not trying to be argumentative. Just pointing out that there's some interesting behaviours and common tactics often played out in these discussions and hence why many people are simply turned off from positively contributing. Cheers.
  9. brenton

    End of RecFish SA?

    you Aussie Dave are one clued up fella and your ability to read between the lines is spot on,ive folowed your posts on this and other forums and you have always called a spade a spade on either side of the political/rec/commercial divide and i don't reckon you have missed a beat in your commentary.Please stay involved or even better get further involved because rec fishing needs people like you. For all the other seemingly considered opinions above i would just like to add that atm sustainability is only Pirsa spin and is in no way relative to their policies implemented or sadly the many and varied recreational and commercial target species,added to this i'm not aware of any species in our country that has been fished into oblivion by recreational fishers....same can not be said for the commercials and never will be. cheers b
  10. AuusieDave

    End of RecFish SA?

    Hi Jay, Do you have any affiliation to any other groups that might have a stake? Your responses seem familiar, like I've heard them before? I tend to agree with you there about jumping the gun, in reality nothing has changed... yet. There's still no representation of rec fishers. If you're so knowledgable about the history of the Marine Parks issue you should also know that SAFA and RecFishCentral were created in response to the betrayal felt from recFishSA at the time. So you agree with robbing the South Australian economy of economic activity as the recs taking their boats out to get their own crabs has a significantly higher economic return than just selling the crabs to interstate and overseas markets. If you feel this passionate about local South Australian locals that can't get their own crabs do you then support a ban on any exports of these crabs to interstate and overseas markets? It'd be great all South Aussies would have fresh cheap quality seafood, at the current prices they can only afford crappy Mekong Delta fish. There's the issue right there, you might be able to fish multiple times a week but most rec fishers are lucky to get on the water once a month so one feed is not really enough, this needs to be doubled. But the average size of a SA SBT is 8 to 10kg, even down the South East. an 8kg SBT will give you about 4.5kg of meat, how much a kilo is that one fish once you tow your boat to the launch and do the massive k's to access the fish? $100/kg I agree that no-one needs two barrels, a split limit like Snapper is best. Come on mate, are you serious? Maybe it's that the people you socialise with are not actually rec fishers, the fishermen with better boats and technology are the commercial fishermen, if that's the angle you're coming from, yes you would of course be very happy with the non-representation that RecFishSA provides us. I'm glad you have travelled the world and seen what is at stake if we can't get any decent fisheries management, PIRSA's 'optimal utilisation' method of destroying a fishery and then waiting decades for it to recover is extremelly dangerous. Painters and Dockers style representation is exactly what we're missing, there is absolutely no representation of rec fishers, we should be parking all our fishing cars/boats in North Terrace, you know that thing called democracy French farmer style. Unfortunatelly RecFishSA doesn't represent rec fishers to PIRSA they represent PIRSA to rec fishers and this is why they have to go as they are supposed to be representing the rec fishers to PIRSA. Dave
  11. AuusieDave

    End of RecFish SA?

    Hi mrfish, Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. In relation to SAFA's science, they may be misinterpreting some of the data but from what I see PIRSA/RecFishSA just make up the data they want to support what they want, complete privatisation of the public resource that is our salt-water fishery. I assume you agree that PIRSA/RecFishSA's science is equally if not more flawed. See I would have said that reducing the rec bag limits while increasing the commercial take for a species would be demonstrating a massive lack of ecological understanding, surely you agree with this? As a Doctor of Aquatic Ecology you would understand that unless the total amount harvested is decreased it is a reduction in sustainability which seems to be what PIRSA believes to be an increase in sustainability, gotta let those grandkids catch a fish... In relation to the Marine Parks, I too agree with the principle, what I believe was a massive act of bastardry was asking all the recs where they fish and locking up those spots, this is a very bad approach, I would have thought this should have been a scientifically based, i.e. Marine Biologists/Aquatic Ecologists study the fish and state where a park would do most good. I think this is why so many people are against them. Personally it is only the one at Port Augusta that bothers me as it's taken my only chance at catching a SA Dolphin Fish away from me. I think the previous points lead into the next point on bag limits, I only have to feed my father and myself so the bag limits are fine for me, but many rec fishers have a lot more mouths to feed than me. The point about bag limits is two fold, firstly the survey asked if we rec fishers are willing to have lower bag limits if it improves sustainability (assumed of the fishery), most rec fishers including me said yes but well, we all know what happened rec fishing bags were slashed and the pro's got extra quota resulting in a greater number of fish harvested resulting in a less sustainable fishery while being told it's to make it more sustainable. Convoluted, yes, but this is how PIRSA and RecFishSA operate, by betrayal. The second point only really relates to SBT's at the moment and that is 'who would tow their 20 foot boat with their big 4X4 down to Cape Jervis or Encounter Bay, motor the 90kms out to the Pages only to catch one 8kg SBT?' (anyone know the cost of this operation?), a split limit like we have with Snapper would work fine, 1 > 25kg or 2 < 25kg. But hang on we're not talking about the actual limits, we're talking about the representation we are getting which seems to be none. I agree 100% about the export of prime species to interstate and overseas markets, the commercial sector, if they are genuine about wanting to put fresh fish on the plates of locals, would have to support this export ban. This would also force the price down and make local fresh fish an option for local South Australians again also helping the commercial sector to fulfill their desire to feed the locals. I suspect they aren't genuine about this and only say it to throw some smoke in front of the mirror. I also agree that something will have to give with larger populations but hey, we're stagnant SA that isn't growing in population so the increased demand on the fishery is only due to better technologies and techniques utilised by the commercial sector. The economic value of the resource is far greater from rec fishing so some rec fishers may have to go the way of Holdens workers as they can't generate the optimum economic benefit for the state. This is a bit side-tracked though, the question is are we being represented properly? No Peace out dude and thanks for your contribution. Dave
  12. Jay R

    End of RecFish SA?

    Dave, I’ll take your bait, simply because you asked nicely and asked for my opinion (not that it matters). My reply will also be way of topic. I don’t have an affiliation with any of these groups, I just don’t like seeing people get mislead with blanket statements and fake news. I see a lot of hypocrisy in these topics, and people taking the kudos for stuff they haven’t done, and counting chickens well before they’ve hatched. Ultimately , the egg ends up on their face and like many before them, they fade away, never to be seen again. In regards to the topics you raised, whether Recfish, PIRSA, SAFA, Central or FistnSA have played a part in any of if it, makes no difference to me: Marine Parks. Blue Swimmer Crab bag limits. Blue Swimmer Crab commercial season opening at the beginning of December just to make sure there was no metro crabs left by Christmas for recs. KGW bag and possession limits. The amount of noise they are currently making RE. cutting the Southern Bluefin Tuna bag in half. Not one marine park introduced has affected me personally, it was a huge storm in a tea cup in my opinion and I don’t know of one person that no longer gets fish cos of them. As a side note, neither SAFA or RecfishcENTRAL where around when they were introduced, all FistnSA did was have a few loud mouth’s at a meeting and print some bumper stickers.. From my understanding some other people who just carry on behind the scenes had more political clout during this debate, to this day they still carry on behind the scenes, no internet glory for them. I’m 100% totally in agreeance with 20 crabs/person being the limit, I see no reason for a person being able to take 40, you didn’t ask but I’m the same with Garfish. Commercials taking Crabs before xmas, that’s an easy one, money makes the world goes around, and just like prawns and Snapper, Australians like to eat seafood on Xmas day, not all of them have the privilege to own a boat nor be good enough to catch them, so they must buy. No problem with 10KG’s/ person, again, 10 fish provides my family of 4 with a good nights feed. No problem with SBT getting cut to 1 /person, a 13kg Tuna will feed my family for months, if for whatever reason I wanted more, I’d just go out again and keep another. Every summer we see lots of fish left to rot in bins and charter operators being left with excess fish cos customers kept their limit without needing to. The above are my opinions only and I won’t bother replying to anyone how questions my thinking, its only cos you asked that I replied. Not a single one of my fisher friends have trouble getting fish, actually the opposite, as boats get bigger, equipment gets better and social networking improves, we find fishing easier every year. On the most, they all agree with me on the topic of Crabs, KG’s, Tuna bag limits So it erks me when I see people talking all gloom and doom about fishing politics, all it does is create disunity and miss information. Many of these types talk about fishing for the future and the chance to give their kids and grandkids a chance to get some fish. But not once have I seen them post about taking their kids and grandkids fishing in the now!! I’ve travelled the world, fished in many places and am well aware that we have it very good in Australia. But not for a second do I think we should just take it for granted and not care about our future, I just don’t think chest beating on the internet or resorting to 80’s style Painters and Dockers is the right way .
  13. mrfish

    End of RecFish SA?

    Hi Aussie Dave, Love your posts this year so please don't take this as an attack on your views which I believe you are more than entitled to have. But I would like to step in here just to highlight that not all rec fishers fully support the ideals of SAFA etc. While I don't think SA has the optimal rec fishing representation currently I am very cautious about supporting rec fishing bodies like SAFA. My caution comes from some of the material I read from their site which is clearly wrong or demonstrates a lack of ecological understanding. A bit about me, I am not aligned with any particular rec fishing body - I follow all of them as I believe they are united in the overarching goal to make rec fishing better and fairer, so in that they all have my support. I am a keen recfisherman since forever, I also have a PhD in Aquatic ecology and spend a great deal of my time learning about fish biology/physiology and about our aquatic ecosystems. So in saying this I do support recfish SA's stance on marine parks and am glad we have them - whether they are in the correct places is outside the scope of this post to debate so let’s just leave that there. I am happy with the 20 blue crab limit for recs – I am not happy about the pro situation I do not support the commercial export of KGW (who can afford to buy local whiting??) and think the bag limit for recs is very low. But I am happy to cop it on the chin if it means stock replenishment. I was not fussed by the recent cuts to rec bag limits and think that some are still way too high. Boats limits of 30 for flathead (we don’t even have a flathead fishery in SA) and bream are ridiculous and show a total lack of knowledge about rec fishing from PIRSA (imagine we all went and ripped 30 big bream out of the Port on a weekly basis). The population of people keeps growing therefore the bag and boat limits can only keep decreasing if we are to remain sustainable. More thought needs to be given towards the sustainability of commercial fisheries given the small percentage of people these industries represent when compared to the increase in general population and the economic contributions rec fishers make. In that I do agree with SAFA as I believe I have read similar on their site before. So that’s all from me I hope people read this in the respectful tone it was intended. Keep fighting the good fight. We’ll get there eventually. Peace mrfish
  14. brenton

    End of RecFish SA?

    well said AD,no matter what the future it has to be better than the past or our hobby is doomed cheers b
  15. piratepom

    Bloodworms.

    So to finish the topic a couple more pics. A few little surprises in with the worms. Drying before a metho dip. Double bagged ready for the freezer. Cheers
  16. piratepom

    Bloodworms.

    Yeah the place gets hit pretty hard all the time! Surprised there's any fish at all. Several groups of fishos scooping last night too.
  17. Softy

    Bloodworms.

    I'm surprised those rocks are not jammed packed with fishos from all the awesome reports you put up..
  18. AuusieDave

    End of RecFish SA?

    Hi Jay, I notice that you seem to be very anti SAFA/RecFishCentral, is this because you are happy with the status quo? I'm assuming as this is a rec fishing site that you are here as a rec fisher, do you believe RecFishSA has and is doing a good job of representing rec fishers? Were you happy with RecFishSA's representation in the following issues; Marine Parks. Blue Swimmer Crab bag limits. Blue Swimmer Crab commercial season opening at the beginning of December just to make sure there was no metro crabs left by Christmas for recs. KGW bag and possession limits. The amount of noise they are currently making RE. cutting the Southern Bluefin Tuna bag in half. I'm interested if you feel RecFishSA represented you strongly enough on the above issues? A bit about myself, I'm not aligned with SAFA or RecFishCentral, I'm just a passionate Rec Fisher and believe me I hold them to account too (check the dark side), I have no allegiance to SAFA, RecFishCentral or RecFishSA. I think SAFA and RecFishCentral at least have whats best for rec fishers in mind in what they are doing, I've been scrutinising them for about 18 months now and have not seen them put a foot out of place. I disagree with their assumption that because they did a deal with the Libs the Libs are going to do anything about the peoples resource being privatised and it all being moved to a pro resource, I believe that is against Liberal ideology but they are confident that they have a deal with government so until such time as we have a Rec Fishing Council that fails to make a difference or not I'm reserving my judgement. RecFishSA, well, they have proven to be unable to represent rec fishers on the above issues, I've talked to Danny Simpson and given him the benefit of the doubt as these could be reflective of previous personnel of RecFishSA and asked him to prove to me that RecFishSA under him is better but the crickets I'm hearing over the SBT issue seems to be giving me the answer. So we have a situation of no representation under RecFishSA or to try something different. A wise man once said that continuing to do the same thing expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity, are we insane? Dave
  19. piratepom

    Bloodworms.

    Thanks H69. After the new moon June, July and August.
  20. Hunter69

    Bloodworms.

    Good job, i thought it was on the full moons during the winter months. ? Theres some fat worms there..
  21. piratepom

    Bloodworms.

    Thanks bjorn. Could've stayed and scooped the 4 litre limit easily, but this is enough for me and my old back was telling me to go home!
  22. bjorn2fish

    Bloodworms.

    You did well PP
  23. piratepom

    Bloodworms.

    G'day all, Nearly all my fishing these days is done with lures, but I cannot resist the temptation to go out and scoop up what I see as the prime bait for metro land based fishing... The mighty Bloodworm. Soooo much fun... Out on the rocks in the pitch black on a windy wintery night with a head torch and a net. Last nights conditions were, what I see, as just about prefect for land based collection session. I chose a slightly different spot than in previous years after a little recon the night before. Worked out well as I left after about an hour with plenty of worms, for my needs, and they were still running out in big numbers. Sunset from the night before sussing out a good position. The view last night. The Bloodworms. Cheers.
  24. kon

    End of RecFish SA?

    "The Minister’s Recreational Fishing Advisory Council will provide feedback and advice to government on recreational fishing development issues and initiatives and big picture policy issues that impact the recreational fishing sector." http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/fishing/publications/fishfacts_e-newsletter/fish_facts_august_2018/new_ministers_recreational_fishing_advisory_council_for_south_australia
  25. David_C

    Strike hook stickers

    Good to see supporting ABS as well I think you need to a savage tackle sticker on the left side, to balance it all out
  26. doobie

    Strike hook stickers

    I'll have to replace this then - although wifey doesn't like stickers on the car
  27. KIDNEY SLAPPER

    Strike hook stickers

    one of each thanks bjorn bigger the better
  28. Hunter69

    Strike hook stickers

    Killer !!
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