_matt_,samrota,jack,ranger and piranha, thanks guys for your replies.much appreciated.some residents that pass me while im land based fishing at west lakes seem ok and nice enough, but this one was just unbelievable. never seen anything like it in my life. i almost laughed at the stupidity of him but thoughti better not or he might jump in the lake and swim after us ahahahaI just hapened to stumble across him before you guys did hahah leccy motors are virtually silent,clean and beautiful little motors, i dont understand why they are frowned upon. i have an 86lbs thrust and use it on its lowest