thanks Nikhum, will have to try the aami stadium bridge some time soon. good night for it tonight, full moon and possibly this lowpressure system with a bit of rain might get them biting? who knows, pitty im sick .you reckon they keep out of the light? Ive heard people mention that the fishings better late at night when the cars stop and it quietens down, or this may just be a coincidence. I would have thought any mully in westlakes or the port, especialy ones hanging round bridges would be fairly accustomed to ambient urban noise, but perhaps it does effect them..cheers,jamie.