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If we do seek use of Stanvac as compensation for the implementation of Marine Parks, receding see weed lines etc, then we should make it a completely CATCH N RELEASE jetty. So then we can not be accused of having too great an impact on the sea life and we could then say that it is effectively going to remain an untouched paradise.I know I could cope easily with a C & R policy on the jetty.

No need to have a "catch and release" policy, there will be plenty of sanctuary zones soon enough.Don't forget there will be heaps of big fish swimming around South Australia because of all the "Flow Over" – rich life from sanctuary zones will have a spill over effect into the broader ocean environment. (Conservationists have repeatedly stated this benefit). The Greens, Divers etc pushing Conservation will have plenty of other areas where they can go and where we can't fish and extract.I would rather see a user pay as you go turnstile system implemented on this jetty, 10 bucks would be quite reasonable and it would pay the maintenance bill over time.It would be a fantastic jetty for recreational fishers.Keep the divers away we don't catch leafy sea dragons but perhaps we could allow conservationists in as long as they pay so they can observe some of the fish we catch. lol.

In my opinion it is pointless having possession limits for recreational fishers when there are no total allowable catch limits on the commercial sector. Simply what we don't catch they will. The commercial fisher’s freezers are full of King George whiting, Snapper and Gar. Is this commercial possession of fish in freezers benificial to sustainable fishing? If you look at the commercial catch figures for King George whiting since the newly imposed recreational size bag and boat limits, you will see their catches have increased. These increased catches in my opinion have increased due to the recreational fisher's reduced catches.How has this helped with sustainable fishing practices and how has this increased the biomass of this species.Commercial fishing in regards to catches of snapper is also in a similar predicament. At the moment this fishery is said to be fully fished yet the commercial fishers can simply take what they like. Why regulate the recreational fishers when the commercial fishers can undo any benefit these regulations were set out to do.We have all seen what has happened in recent times regarding the gar fishery. This is the prime example of what can occur due to overfishing by the commercial sector. Take away some of the netters and the garfish biomass improves.Let's not forget that the commercial sector has achieved record catches of all our important fish species in more recent years. It has been a consequence of this overfishing that has seen our fisheries at unsustainable lowest levels.The recreational fisher has been regulated now for many years with size bag and boat limits. At the time of implementation we were told by the powers that be that this was necessary and in keeping with sustainable fishing. This is just my opinion but as far as I'm concerned I'm against any new regulations that may affect recreational fishing. When the authorities and PIRSA management get it right by implementing TAC limits on the commercial sector, only then will I take another look at possession limits as being another credible means towards sustainable fishing.Until then they can get nicked.niftrev

I went out last Saturday night 25-7-09 and there were plenty of worms around. This was even with more boats being out on the water than usual due to the run falling on the weekend. I did hear there was a marinesafety blitz earlier on in the night but by the time we got to St Kilda 9.00pm we saw no sign of them.Finished worming by about 11.45pmThey should be running again tonight

Congratulations tip

On the 11-03-09 I was fishing in my mate’s boat out from North Haven. I was catching some nice size gar when suddenly they all went off the bite. Not long after, I heard the familiar sound of my mate’s handline spool spinning around a couple of times. I turned around and asked him the obvious “Did you just have a squid on”. He reluctantly replied with an incoherent answer. I’m not sure exactly what his answer was, but the suspicious look on his face said it all. Within seconds my old trusty jag was found and immediately chucked out behind the boat.;)My mate just can't handle the fact that squid favour my jag over his relatively newbie.My mate is still searching all the dumps far and wide to find a Yo-zuri just like mine. ;D ;D http://www.fishyorkepeninsula.com/images/attachments/gEpaAfoa__squid_11_03_09.jpg[/img] http://www.fishyorkepeninsula.com/images/attachments/uZN6C734__Old_faithful.jpg[/img]

Don't worry fellas there's plenty more from where they came from. I fished along the beach today 3/2/09 and those 2" ( 5cm for the new farts)crabs are still thick. (Plague proportions)I was catching double headers of the little stinkers while I was fishing for goldbars. Even had one hanging on to a C sinker.Alot more prevalent than the fish. I mean I couldn't catch many goldbars, because the crabs were taking the bait, before any fish could sniff it.niftrev

Gotta say I enjoyed it anyway, top choice of background music too. And yes I watched it more than a couple of times.

Just a short post to say thanks to S.A. Bait and Aarron for the four Strike Pro lures I received for submitting some location pics here in the Location Database. After a good looking over they have now finally been added to my lure box.Thanks to all concerned *niftrev* [file name=QYcwqdNB__strikepro.bmp size=360054]http://www.fishyorkepeninsula.com/images/attachments/QYcwqdNB__strikepro.bmp[/file]

Posted by: 10percentcatch90

I see fishermen doing the wrong thing all the time

Then you should report it.10percentcatch90 said

GOOD FISHERMEN don't have to take to many or under size fish just for the hell of it,they only take what they need.Greed = poor fishermen

Coonta Kinta posted

Would be a VERY different mater if I had access to those areas on a more consistant basis.

I agree,nothing wrong with thatIn my opinion there's nothing greedy about taking 600 cockles if they are for personal use. If you go fishing and buy that amount what's the difference, all it means is that someone else with a licence is making monetary gain out of a resource which is essentially owned by all South Australians. Do you think recreational fishers are the only people that harvest the Goolwa cockle? Are you aware that nearly half of the estimated combined professional and recreational take of 1100 tonnes, already human consumption accounts for half of it?The truth is that exports are responsible for the higher price per kilo. As a response to the higher prices more people will now be making the trip to Goolwa. The harm that has been done to the cockle fishery has mostly come about from those with a commercial interest and their greed. Surely all South Australians should be catered for before exports are considered. The government’s intentions are to create half a dozen Cockle Kings, who have a potential to become multi millionaires. In my opinion this will only have a negative outcome of which we will all have to bare. 10percentcatch90

Please use your brains and leave your ego's at home

I'm left pondering what your statement is meant to mean and who it is meant to be directed at 10percentcatch90Maybe you should explain further.Ps Your name tag suggests your a pretty good fisherman and your a member of the 10 per cent club, Some would suggest and say that's greedy. I'm thinking maybe a name change, say to 90percentcatch10 would be more appropriate to go with your NON GREED = GOOD FISHERMEN STATUS and QUALITIES.

When did Minister Rory McEwen say he was going? :icon_e_geek: I wonder if the regulation will be disallowed again.The commercial diggers have really only had a reduction of 50t from 650 TO 600.Last years quota 1150t was obviously set way to high.Voluntary recreational "300"! ;D :icon_lol: ;D :icon_lol: ;D :icon_lol: ;D :icon_lol: : ;D :icon_lol: ;D :icon_lol: ;D He's feelin the water.

binksmarine posted

As far as I know,the recreational cockle season will open on 1st November as usual,the commercial season will remain closed until 1st December or later.

Yes I heard that on Radio 5AA talkback Thursday 23rd Oct. As soon as I heard it I thought it was absolutely brilliant, gives the cockles another month of reprieve before the greedy commercials can get their hands on them. This means there should be plenty around now during November and should be easy to collect if you have the means to go and get your own. (I don't unfortunately) The commercial sector and pollies couldn't agree on the minister's decision that he made concerning the sharing of the so called equitable resource.

But either House of Parliament can overturn a ministerial regulation, and that’s exactly what the Legislative Council did on June 23.“The essential argument to support the disallowance of these regulations is that they are not fair to everyone,” Kanck told parliament on the day of the vote.“They tip the balance in favour of some fishers to the detriment of others.

Minister McEwen didn't seem all that happy about it either. As it is meant to be a shared equitable resource Parliament itself, especially the Legislative Council, should be the public watchdog by disallowing the Minister’s Regulation. I say congratulations and well done to the opposition and the stand they took. One should ask why should 1/2 a dozen commercial operators be given a better deal than all the others that are licensed with endorsements? I am sure none of us recfishers would be all that happy if the guy next door was given and allowed to catch a quota of 50 K G whiting while only to be then told by the powers that be that your whiting quota would now be reduced to a total of only 6. Of couse the big players weren't going to complain. The Minister Rory McEwen stated the closed season will still apply in regards to the commercial operators until an alternative proposal is put forward and the minister then approves it. Until a resolution is found apparently the closed season will remain.

Posted by: tonyb

to hear fisheries have taken TWELVE nets from that area of the Onka so far this year.

If all these nets belong to the same offenders and have been found and hence confiscated by fisheries what I find unbelievable is how it hasn't deterred them one little "IOTTA". Obviously they have had very good returns compared to what they perceive as to the risk of being caught. One can only hope this public exposure will be enough for these dim-witted perpetrators to have second thoughts before continuing with anymore illegal activities.I fear it won't. niftrev

Warring-the-cockles-of-the-heartWell now I’m really peeved off. > > > > I have just found out that there is a war going on at the moment and it’s all to do with South Australia’s Goolwa Cockle. I was told today that there is an article with the heading “Waring the cockles of the heart” in the Independent Weekly. Want to know why our cockles are in short supply and so expensive.Well now you can all read about it for yourself. Just found the web site: http://www.independentweekly.com.au/news/local/news/general/warring-the-cockles-of-the-heart/1283930.aspxNow that I have I am totally disgusted, “What about me you may ask?” Well you can bet our daily bag limit will shrink significantly. Notice the article doesn’t really consider us the recreational fisher in the equation. If you are unhappy about this now is the time to yell, scream and say so. There’s a place at the bottom of the web page if you want to have your sayregards niftrev > > > >

Thanks for your reply pescados. I'll give it another try.

Thanks aarron

Hi aarron,Is there any way of adding the additional Options in regards to your Location Database. I think if it was possible to post a couple of photos it may just enhance each location a little better. Just a suggestion,I have a couple of photo's ready to go.regards niftrev

Yes Ranger the commercial fishers have been, and are, great manipulators when it comes to our fisheries management.When I said "Have to feel for the ones that have been operating at the present time". What I meant was, when the other endorsed operators decide to go back to fishing for them as profiteers it will possibly mean the present cocklers will get a lot less than what they bargained for. I noticed the commercial mud cocklers have decided they have been working too hard as well. They must have sore backs too and have decided to manipulate the market price as well after seeing the success of the commercial Coorong cocklers. As quoted from Fishfacts Issue 15, August 2008Temporary closure of the commercial mud cockle fisheryA short term, state-wide closure of the commercial mud cockle fishery will come into effect from 6am on Monday 18 August 2008. The closure will remain in place until the commencement of the new quota regulations scheduled for introduction in early October. The closure is to facilitate the orderly introduction of the new commercial fishery quota system and to protect the resource from potential overfishing. The quota system has been developed to manage and constrain the increasing catches of mud cockles. Extensive consultation has taken place with the industry over the last two years to develop a system that will ensure the long-term sustainability of the resource. The closure will apply to commercial licence holders only. During the closure, commercial licence holders will still be permitted to harvest mud cockles for personal bait and berley use only, but mud cockles cannot be sold. Recreational fishers are reminded that recreationally caught fish cannot be sold at any time. The details of recreational catch limits for mud cockles are as follows; • Minimum legal length - 3.0cm • Minimum legal length (taken from Coffin Bay) - 3.8cm • Daily bag limit (per person) – 300In my opinion the commercial mud cocklers have been raping and pillaging the mud cockles unrestricted for way too long. I think there is a conspiracy, Fisheries management are certainly making it more and more difficult for us rec KG whiting fishers.

quote]doesn't look good for squid and cuttlefish.No it doesn't, not to mention tubeworms or razorfish. When the commercial sector has a quota set at 1100 tonnes and yet only 636 tonnes can be reached or harvested it usually means the fishery is in big trouble. In my opinion it is very poor fisheries management once again. Why is it that our fisheries management wait until a commercial species is well and truly overfished and in trouble before they decide to act. Surely common sense should tell them that it is ever so much easier to manage our stocks if sensible appropriate quotas were used in the first place.Once again due to over harvesting of our cockles by the commercial sector the recreational sector will be made to have a reduced bag limit. Just recently it was revelled that there are 32 commercial operators in the Coorong fishery that hold endorsements on their licences for cockles. Currently only about half of this number actually fish for them but with the higher market prices, one can only assume more of these will once again target them. As Grumpy posted

The poor harvester cope's it in the AR*E once again,in fact twice. 1:Cockle quota lowered 2:Having to fund a management committee

Have to feel for the ones that have been operating at the present time, but the Johnny come lately's should be told sorry you licence is void. Maybe another buyback at tax payers expense, due to mismanagement? >

Yeah, I thought it was going to be on tonights CH 7 Today Tonight!Watched the whole show and saw nothing. :

Ranger posted

I'd certainly like to see a copy of it once it's prepared!

As quoted form the letter

When the EIS is ready for public release, public notices will be placed in the Advertiser and other local newspapers detailing where to access the document, how to make submissions and particulars on the public meetings. Such advice will also be made available on the planning SA website at www.planing.sa.gov.au

Reply #42 on: May 30, 2008, 08:24 PM » --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Excellent Spotter, Thats the first time Iv'e had a look at this site www.ffc.org.au/Desalination.html.  Thanks, it's certainly worth looking at and it makes sense too. I will have a look at writing a letterQuote : to the relevant Ministers now expressing your concern regarding this development proposal. FFC has provided a template letter to help get you started on our email campaigns pageThanks again niftrev Re: Desalination Plant @ Pt Hughes « Reply #43 on: May 30, 2008, 08:46 PM » --------------------------------------------------------------------------------How easy was that, letter completed with my post added and it has been sent to Premier Rann. August 12th BHP Billiton Desalination Plant in the Upper Spencer Gulf I have just received a letter 7/8/08 from The Hon Paul Holloway who responded on behalf of the premier to my email of 30th May 2008 in relation to the BHP Billiton Desalination Plant in the Upper Spencer Gulf. As quoted from the letter and of interest

Due to the major environmental, social and economic importance, and high levels of public interest in the proposed expansion, it is entirely appropriate the proponent prepare extensive environmental studies to address the guidelines. Amongst many other matters, the guidelines require demonstration that the proposed sea water desalination plant will not negatively impact on the marine and terrestrial environment, including the Giant Cuttlefish and the fishing and aquaculture industries.

It goes on to say an environmental impact study will be made public next year for a period of 8 weeks. During this time a number of public meetings will be held to explain both the project and the public's opportunity to lodge submissions.regards niftrev :

Quote from: Ranger on Today at 05:01 PM

the problem is, ya might just be right! Posted by: Big Ian

No rumour there Ranger only facts.

I've already heard a rumour that the guy at the tacklestore there has been given his marching orders!

No more FISH-N-STUFF Peter has closed up shop, as of yesterday. Transportable building will be giong soonToilets are to be knocked down shortlyRecfish boaties make sure you remember to buy all your bait in future before getting down to North Haven, it's along drive back to Port Adelaide.Isn't it ironic, just when we all thought it would be easier for people to be able to fish out from North Haven via the new bridge the boating facilities deminish. Scorpion posted

Ah they,re using the old trick of pricing everyone away! .then it will be......nobody uses this ramp anymore..lets close it and sell the land for more townhouses. As an added bonus no more noisy boaters waking up the local population flushing their outboards) Now i am being sarcastic aren't i ?.Sorry i caught the desease of Ranger!

Sadly Scorpion, I think you hit the nail on the head.I have heard a rumour that the new shop may be an up market Cafe/Yacht & Sailing Chandlery , cattering for the toffee nosed society, hope I haven't offended anyone here. One consolation I guess with the New bridge now being opened is at least we fishers that live on Lefevre peninsular are ever so closer to York peninsular's HOT SPOTS

binksmarine posted

The main reason the available quota was not reached was unusual seasonal conditions in Dec/Jan.In a normal season,a cold water upwelling from the Southern Ocean comes in during late April or early May,turning the water along the coast cold,which in turn "tell's" the cockles it is time to move out in to deeper water and breed.

G'day binksmarineJust thought I would add this, only what I read As quoted from South Australian angler, artical "What's happening with our cockles" by Peter Muirhaead April/May 08. "At this stage, no changes are proposed to the recreational daily bag limit of 600" and"The closed season of June 1 to the end of October will continue to apply to both sectors. This shut down is more a concession to the harsh winter conditions experienced on this stretch of coast rather than for any biological reason, as the Goolwa cockle breeds year round"I hope this information is the latest and isn't already outdated. Wouldn't be surprised if it is though, the way things are changing so darned fast.

Just informing you all that the new boat ramp fee is now $10.00. >:(Oh and by the way, 2 new boat ramp ticket machines have replaced the old one. These are now positioned in the boat ramp trailer carpark. $10.00 Thats almost $1.00 per whiting! ???

Definetely some nice size lunkers and good eating to boot. I bet they dispersed a few thousand eggs over their lifetime