no offence taken fin, but like fishnuts says, im a tinkerer. and i cant buy what i want, so im gonna make them. its an extremely easy process, and quite economical when compared to buying premade ones from a brand name. smaller ones are not what im after either, im talking about man-sized SP's, not little grubs/minnows/prawns etc. a lot of information is available in the USA, and the product itself is realllly cheap there, im just trying to find an Aussie supplier. if you're interested, check out the Tackle Underground forum, pioneers in the field {SMILIES_PATH}/wink.gif imagine making your o