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I will try and get this right, lost my memory a week ago and have been in an induced coma. Now in Wesley hospital in Brisbane awaiting some form of heart surgery.Why am I saying this is because not looking for sympathy, but struggling to remember things.I get so angry with the CYC , it's CYC first and bugger anglers.Trying to blackmail anglers on this over their own design failures is morraly wrong . There was also a covnenant at the top end of the ramp which guaranteed this turn-around space. For many years, guess what.... Pat Conlon overturned it and in all my real estate dealings, never heard this ever happening before. And it was simply because the CYC got greedy and built another apartment on it. ( CYC first, bugger anglers.)This parcel of land was being saved to provide access to the new marina area.Two things I would like anglers to see through the self interest. Of the CYC and remember The ramp was paid for out of the levy , so if they want to go down this blackmail path, then give the $ 800 000 back that was provided by SABFAC !You should all be standing behind koutsantanis on this as he is looking after anglers and good on him. He has my support. Despite that I never warmed to him.SABFAC, had a lenghty meeting on this issue about 2.5 years ago and after some hours flately refused the application for the reasons aforementioned.What has changed, new chair ?, and what is SARFAC doing to protect anglers ?You should all be writing to the Minister supporting him, but I know that won't happen as most anglers are lazy and don't want to get involved.

There are three files on the RFL held in SARFAC, most likely held at the BIASA office Flaps.The Chairman must know in which cabinet they are stored. There are two ring binder files (very thick), and one other bound document which was given to the Labour Party before it's annual conference some time back to endeavour to change the Parties policy on this issue, but unfortunately failed. All documents have the history from the NSW and Victorian start-up. Included are calculations on expected revenues and other interesting data.The CYC file is in a five drawer A4 plastic drawer set under the heading CYC. So many changes. In the last two years may have left the filing system in a mess.Ring the. Chair and arrange to meet him at BIASA office, you will be surprise at what you will read. Those files took ten years of a persons and others lives.u

They don't Flaps because I advised some time back " to never get involved in Chat Forums" and for once it seems SAFAC must have taken this advice.

If you choose not to talk to me Ugly then I don't care but you should read the CYC file held in SARFAC. It has all the history collected over the last ten years including letters between the then Minister, CYC and the town planning committee. See the current Chair of SARFAC, he has been briefed on it all as well over several years and should be willing in the interest of anglers to pass the info onto you for a read.Trust me anglers are being screwed again, this time by the big end of town......again !Altogether now I have given you three people that can fill you in on this and preceding events to these issues. Get all the facts , then comment I will concede however you are entitled to an opinion, but be informed.

Two things ugly, if someone else goes public on what I may have said, then that's their problem.Besides if you really have a desire for the truth then ring me, or ring who I suggested. Is that so hard. or are you just lazy?u

You are very much all of the mark. There is ten years and more of aggravated history surrounding the CYC, SARFAC and the SABFAC, and most of it very dirty.I cannot repeat what I know here, but happy to do privately, but I can say that the CYC doesn't, give two hoots about anglers, and by the way that ramp was built with SABFAC funding and Minister Conlon did you all in at the last set of changes.It's all about the big end of town and their mates ! try the GM of BIASA, he along with myself know all the dirty history.

Maybe with tongue in cheek Silaflex, I may be able to help you here. Many years ago a good friend of mine in Sydney ( artist, historian and journalist for Wacker Fairfax), often liked to stir the establishment using his historian background that he believed that if you have brown eyes then you likely have native ancestry ?

Same magazine shines more light on how NSW D P I view artificial reefs.Bet PIRSA will shaft anglers. In SA on this one too !

If you have that much support Tackles, then therein may lie the danger. Every one running around up blind ally's and achieving nothing, except spinning the wheels.Wouldn't it be smarter with all that support you talk about, to channel all that energy into just one important issue for anglers and when that is achieved move on into another. Trouble is, with respect, I don't believe you. Anglers are still a disorganised force taking whatever is dished up ! It's a good military strategy to take the high ground and its rewarding what one can see from up here. Besides that one doesn't get covered with all the crap falling around you!

What changed Shannon ? Well SARFAC did....... For the worse ! For me, probably a lot wiser. With regard to Rapid Bay jetty, I was confident that over time we could win the restoration / new build debate and we did. To be successful one has to develop strategies that are not pipe dreams (achievable), otherwise you run around like Chicken Little moaning that the sky is falling in !Let the the jetty go, it will look after itself if it is to be a goer. Concentrate on issues that are more important tangible and achievable.

It's OK to aim high, but when resources are thin and with limited energies future prospects are best directed to those opportunities which have a good chance of success in the short term otherwise anglers could loose out on both ! I don't see the jetty as a "good chance", unfortunately. It's called priorities.The jetty should be allowed to run its own race and concentrate energies on the snapper, garfish and MP issues which will have a far greater impact on anglers. In my view changing the culture in PIRSA will have far more benefits for anglers than a jetty no one clearly wants to maintain.

I am interested in Shannon's questions to ExxonMobil's executives this week, which were relevant questions to the issue, but it seemed like a dead-end with no response !Secondly, if the power supply as reported, has been cut off from the jetty, then so has the cathodic protection to all metal parts. I have seen what happens when the cathodic unit is shut down on jetty and wharf structures, the old Rapid Bay jetty is a prime example.Reluctantly, and without a survey, I would have to say that the point of no return has already been reached, in other words " no hope ", better to put one's energies in more productive areas.

Starting to sound like a mutual admiration society !

It gets worse, I just voted and amongst others on the "big white sheet " was the " Pirate Party" and also the " Sex Party ", believe that ?God help us, come to think about it, that wouldn't work either as I believe ALLpoliticians are morally corrupt and a few are legally corrupt, they are the ones that end up doing time. The others get away with it because the public let them !

Hope so !

wonder if they all have a visa? ....or maybe just illegal immigrants !On the other hand I don't think Visa's are required between Aus and NZ.

Both !

You are most likely right about the connection between the two Tackles, and I recall back in 2010 doing a desk top study to check the numbers that DENWR were using on the sealion population to bolster their claim for MP's and they were dodgy at best. During their population counts many are never counted because they are at sea feeding.So don't ever trust their figures.

All that was put to the conservation zealots and DEWNR during the MP debate and was met with a wall of silence by both?

I'm onto you "justme", you are having fun aren't you ?

Hey guys, why don't you get it ? Politicians and political hopefuls will tell you anything one wants to hear and without regards to the truth ! Best get back on track.

It's interesting to note that PIRSA has been more than aware of these videos and research both in Australia and overseas for many years and including the benefits ( which they go out of their way to deny). Its like a cartoon..... don't stick your head above the parapet or it will get shot off! Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea.Anglers........screwed again !

You are right Rotare I don't have those numbers in my head, sorry but not that good, but I have told you where to look if you were interested enough to take the time !Anglers will never make any headway in SA whilst they remain divided, its strange but it's not like that in other states. Perhaps that's why they are so far advanced over SA. Fancy being so divided over such a thing as a fishing jetty........ beggars belief !And you will have a reprieve for a while as I am off to the US and Canada early tomorrow for a few months to get some tourism figures for you !

Thanks Rotare, Yes I do know the facts, but unfortunately I live toooooo far away to access them.But if you ask someone at SARFAC they are all there in the files ( if they knew where to look ?), believe me and very convincing too. SARFAC worked on this data extensively during the big KGw debate several years back.I wouldn't and don't say anything controversial without first having the supporting facts. I just don't have them with me. But the previous Chair of SARFAC did a lot of work on this, you should contact him. Also the Tourism Dept; also has this data.Trust me.

That's the stuff Tony, get the drums beating loud and hard, got no chance otherwise !Always admired your rational thinking, Iv'e studied the UK scene, so many hundreds of years ahead of us, perhaps that's where it comes from !