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Evening all, Agree with the previous posts, although I think 'apathy' might be a bit strong. 'Apathy' has been an overused cop-out term within SA Rec fishing circles for decades. Although it certainly does exist, "apathy' doesn't mean the same thing as "I want change, but I can't be buggered fighting with the SA rec fishing system", and if surveys are going to be distorted or ignored - why bother? But regardless of anyone's level of interest, it's hard to engage with a representative system that didn't work very well and didn't welcome 'outsiders'. The SA rec fishing representative s

Reckon you're right Barney, but no-one seems to want to run an economic survey, and maybe the only way to prove it's true would be to get bums on seats in an environment where the Govt will have to listen - eg as members of their own RF Council. Cheers, RJ

All of them live in the box labelled "Others". IT people love Flow charts and Org charts and Gantt charts - just about any kind of chart. - mostly because we only speak Geek Cheers, RJ

Apologies all, I don't know how, but I screwed up and uploaded the same file 3 times. Correct versions are attached for those interested. I think that if you're confronted with a brick wall (PIRSA), it's better to try and find a way around it rather than to continue to bash your head. I don't think that anyone outside of the organisation really knows why PIRSA act as they do, and I guess they have their reasons. But even so, a way has to be found to improve things. Perhaps one way would be to change the reporting structure at the top (political) level so that alternate voices can be

I don't think you'll find too much argument with that point of view AD, but whether that situation persists in this brave new world seems to depend upon the structures that are put in place by the Govt. and the way that these are organised. As things have so far been described (very sparsely), RFSA will become just one input into the decision making process, rather than the only input. But it's how the overall new fisheries management structure is designed that will make the biggest difference. For example (similar to RFSA), if PIRSA themselves were to become one shared input into the par

With respect AD, To achieve any outcome at all, the place to do that would be in the yet-to-be-created Fisheries Council - not social media - and in order to achieve a good outcome for rec's, the arguments put to that overriding Council by our representative(s) will need to be 100% valid, supported by facts and (somehow) agreed by the majority of recs's. With the election of a new Government the entire face of fishing politics in SA has changed, and we need to change with it. There is no place for continued attacks between members of the rec fishing community. Different points of vie

Not allowed to use pillies or snook and whiting heads for crab bait? <confused> as usual...

That sounds great, but I don't think local Councils have any jurisdiction beyond the high water mark, and any regulation would need to be implemented by a Govt Department and/or legislated by politicians? (ie - via the existing Fisheries management system). For whatever reason, I don't think that anything has been done to bring the representatives of each sector together and attempt to come up with a solution, even though that may be the only way this can be resolved without years of ongoing dispute - during which time the fishery will continue to suffer (ie business as usual). But it

Just a word please (or several). Some time back I decided to no longer be involved in the politics of fishing in SA - but this current situation is a step too far. This issue is not between recs and pro's. It's about Govt policy and PIRSA's implementation of that policy. It's really about what's best for everyone involved and (primarily) for the SA fishery itself. I'm absolutely certain that there are pro's who are just as concerned about the future of the SA fishery as any rec fisher - probably even more so. There are also some pro's who will take advantage of any opportunity to

I'm still watching this, but not to get involved snapps. But your question is fair and needs to be answered. If I had identified the organisations by name I think it would have already resulted in an enormous (and pointless) shit-fight on S&H, resulting in this thread being (rightly) locked by the Admins - and I didn't want that to happen. Some members of several organisations have become expert at arguing from behind keyboards, and no result is ever achieved from that other than they continue to do the same thing. Every online discussion is driven around and around in circles by t

Can't have failed, it's never been tried, and If you have your way, it never will be. "Just a call for "faith". Waste of everyone's time." The silliest statement from a member of an anonymous "representative organisation" ever. Since there are no office holders, no elections, no meetings and you insist on remaining anonymous - your entire organisation is relying on "faith" . Your anonymous computer game is based on the hope that maybe you can achieve some kind of change without ever meeting with the wider rec fishing community to confirm that they agree with what you're doing

Deliberately and out of respect for Bjorn and the S&H team I have not named any rec fishing organisation nor any person in my posts on this subject. I am totally disinterested in any argument between any of them - couldn't care less. Is that honest and transparent enough? Like you Nok, my attention is very firmly fixed on the well-being of the SA rec fishing community and the fishery itself. At this time and on this subject, there is only one question that needs to be answered IMO:- "Should the organisations and rec fishers interested in representation issues in SA get t

At the moment there is no group in SA who can claim to represent the entire SA rec fishing community. At the moment whenever one group says "A", the other is very likely to say "B". Faced with that kind of approach, politicians and would-be politicians can have the luxury of ignoring both while using either one (or both) as a get-out-of-goal card and doing nothing. Currently we are our own enemy in achieving any kind of long-term political commitment for rec fishing in SA. Personally I think it's great that there are alternative plans such as yours out there Nok, and I also think that

Too many Nok. And I think we're never going to progress by concentrating on the past. All that does is continue with the sense of injustice that everyone (on all sides) is currently feeling. Hard to imagine I guess, but there are many SA rec fishers who feel that they've been wronged, and they aren't all in one camp - or two camps. What's done is done, and can't be completely undone, but I really believe that it's the future that we should all be concentrating on, and learning from what has gone before. I'm a bit curious to see how many others out in the world feel the same way, be

That was another miscommunication Wade. I didn't intend the second pat of that post to be directed at you. My bad. This is what I intended:- Everyone, I think that there are far more things that bind all rec fishers together rather than keep us apart, and it's time we all made the most of that. History very clearly shows that we can't rely on anyone other than rec fishers, and when we publicly fight among ourselves over differences in how to get things done and what should be done, we only succeed in shooting ourselves in the foot. We all need to get together and get starte

Drat. Thought you'd heard something else Wade. No apology needed. Problem with communicating only via social media - messages can easily be misunderstood. - and often are :-( I think that there are far more things that bind all rec fishers together rather than keep us apart, and it's time we all made the most of that. History very clearly shows that we can't rely on anyone other than rec fishers, and when we publicly fight among ourselves over differences in how to get things done and what should be done, we only succeed in shooting ourselves in the foot. We all need to get toget

Well that's a relief. Be good to know that this is fact though. Who has given this "direction", and who has allocated the funds from the Grants? Who is going to put together the "rec fish council", and when? If this is really happening, there's no need for any other arrangement in SA because (I'd guess) the people who would want to be involved will already be part of the "rec fish council". To attempt to do something else at the same time would simply muddy the waters. I've been around this too long to believe every rumour though because most simply never happen, and I think this o

Maybe try again.... Whenever this subject (representation) is discussed, it invariably becomes a debate about the merits (or not) of what we currently have, and of what might be - usually focused on all the possible negatives. As a result, there is a lot of passion and opinion expressed, but no progress is made. If we want change (and I'd say that everyone does), surely the first step is to agree on that one point - change is needed - and then to get as many people as possible working on what that change should look like. If we are going to continually try to guess what the future

Might be time to take a deep breath I think. From the time of settlement of SA, we (all) have caught fish. In earlier times there were many more fish to catch, and fewer people who wanted to catch them. You only need to look at some of the pictures and read the stories from 100 and more years ago to see that fishing was "better" back then. From that time, the marine environment around Adelaide has been steadily degraded by runoff and pollution, while the number of people who want to catch fish has steadily increased. And so the fishing has become harder for everyone. It's been the same

There are many questions that can be asked about what the future holds for rec fishing in SA, but there is one thing that we already know - without any doubt. And that is: If we do nothing, nothing is going to change. Change won't come about solely via social media debates, particularly if those debates don't involve the decisions makers themselves. It will only happen if the rec fishing community takes action. I believe that the coming election will provide the best opportunity for change that we have seen for decades, and the rec fishing community (as a whole) needs to bite the bulle

The Govt has to face the voters. At that time, all bets are off... A change of government only means a change of minister, all the infrastructure remains, PIRSA, RecFishSA etc. Very true Barney. Govt departments will remain in place after every election, and that's a good thing for continuity and stability. I think it would be total chaos if the whole State abruptly changed direction when a different political party is (or could be) elected every 4 years. What can make a difference though, is when the electorate (or part of the electorate such as rec fishers) gets their ac

The Govt has to face the voters. At that time, all bets are off...

Tacklebags is right. Money is not a silver bullet and it cannot solve every problem that confronts the SA fishery. Without it however, we will continue on just as we always have - and the current situation is not a good recommendation for doing that. How to make it happen? Lot of different opinion from lots of experts, but I think that the rec sector needs to get together in whatever rag-tag form can be achieved quickly and in the short term, and put a pre-election question to each of the political parties. That question would be coming from just one source - the entire recreational fish

I have "liked" your post and enjoy your point of view but I guess this is aimed at me? I have already stated that I am NOT against a RFL and attempted to supply something I found to this forums members. I don't know if I will bother again Absolutely not Poppa, and I'm sorry if I unintentionally gave that impression. I think it's a good thing that a video such as this is shown to a wider audience within the rec fishing community so that more people are able to view it and make up their own minds. I think you did everyone a favour, and the resultant conversation about it ha

This was presented to the Committee more than 6 months ago (July 2016), and hasn't been mentioned since (to my knowledge). It was not a formal submission by the MFA, although one presenter was/is a Board member of the MFA. There is no indication that this submission was or is supported as official policy by the Commercial sector as a whole. Everyone will take what they want to see from this submission, but for mine it was a group of Commercial fishers complaining about the lack of support for their sector from PIRSA and the Govt. - which is exactly the same complaint the recreational secto