well i went down to ray and annes today, new favourite shop i checked out both the 6000D and 8000D, the 8000D is the same size as the 4500B so i decided to buy it, im cheering!! i also had a look at the thunnus, what a brilliant reel!! the 16000F looked small in the pics i had seen but this is a huge reel alot bigger then i expected.. but they had the brand new 4000 thunnus in there and thats bout the same size as the 6000D and alot more money to.. if you are interested in any of these reels id suggest going into ray and annes, very happy with the service, and the price is the best i could fi