Thanks for your input guys.Breambo, by no means am i a shimano fan boy but we're on the same wave length as i was thinking of a jewel myself.Cheers U4L, good to have some feed back on the Spheros.Southie, i didn't really notice the bail armbeing flimsy, mind you i checked out a 6000d so...now i'll have to look at a 4000 specifically. Cheers.FSW, yeah man, to be honest i'm spewin' that i didn't grab the combo shauno had for sale a little while back, bargain, just had some other bills at the time.I'm looking at some fin nor offshore spins too, by all accounts could stop a truck with their drags.