Tacklebags

I was only talking about the direction mooted by contributors to this thread re: Form a rec council and funding via the grants process. That is what has been put forward on here as potential solutions. Apologies but I thought that was obvious?

The trick to catching Silver Ghosts, especially in West Lakes, is not to find the deepest holes.....
 
Fish the "narrowest" parts of the lakes, as mullies travel around , and the narrower parts, give you the best opportunity ...
 
As they, have to swim past that area ... trial and error, to find best narrow bits, but this will help you out a great deal .....
 
SF

Cheers For that guys was trying for mulloway the other day and was trying to find a hole but no luck

The answer can be found here in this historic video about the construction of west lakes. Takes one back in time this video! 
 

avg..which is bout rite...until u go under a bridge lol

Hi guys just wondering if anyone knows what the deepest part of the lake is and if there is a average depth.
Cheers

The direction for a rec fish council has been given RJ. Funding to facilitate needs via the 3rd round of grants etc. Thats the advice.
 
I read the trade ministers releases. Maximising recreational fishing isnt on his or the govs radar its all about maximising, maintaining interstate and overseas exports.
 
You say there's rec fishers who are capable and shouldn't be underestimated. Summons them together and go and do it just accept that those your up against are a part of a global industry with endless funds and influence over state policy.

The direction for a rec fish council has been given RJ. Funding to facilitate needs via the 3rd round of grants etc. Thats the advice.
 
I read the trade ministers releases. Maximising recreational fishing isnt on his or the govs radar its all about maximising, maintaining interstate and overseas exports.
 
You say there's rec fishers who are capable and shouldn't be underestimated. Summons them together and go and do it just accept that those your up against are a part of a global industry with endless funds and influence over state policy.

Our own Rec fishers have spoken, but been ignored time and time again !

Most of the 1500 submissions were against the proposed changes. Recfishsa's survey showed over half were opposed to the whiting reduction.  
The proposed spatial closures around yorke peninsula were small. The one implemented afterwards is huge. There was broad cross sectional issues raised including commercial wildcatch, aquaculture and marine scalefish restocking via the submissions, the recfishsa survey and at the meetings but how many of those issues have or are being addressed by Pirsa?
 
So one can look at the numbers who participated as a blight on rec fishers themselves or one can see view it from the perspective that most knew the outcome and no longer bother.
 
The large participation decrease in the 2013/14 rec survey and feedback to a FRDC report from 2011 on rec fishers views of management performance highlights less and less think its a worthwhile use of their time.
 
Like me they probably have moved on to other recreations in life?

Hi Panga. Sorry but I wasn't at any protest in Adelaide. I have often attended public consultation sessions but never protests.
 
I have always believed in following consultation processes to achieve desired outcomes. If the outcomes from those processes fail the public then that's the governments problem to deal with/be held accountable for not mine.
 
I dont see my position on fisheries as anti commercial or anti government. I just have different views on how to manage the resource sustainably. Quite simply we can't continue to use the gulfs scalefish stocks to supply the world or even interstate markets under current management mechanisms and maintain a sustainable local community fishery as well.
 
I have discussed fisheries management issues over the years with scientists and industry consultants around the country. One common response I get is "you raise issues which deserve far more attention than they get in Australia".
 
Fish stocks imho are relatively easy to manage Panga, its the politics which makes sustainability untenable.
 
I am well aware of the current costs you mention and see the future only too well. That's why I no longer go fishing and spend my days coaching/playing soccer and tennis.

Most of the 1500 submissions were against the proposed changes. Recfishsa's survey showed over half were opposed to the whiting reduction.  
The proposed spatial closures around yorke peninsula were small. The one implemented afterwards is huge. There was broad cross sectional issues raised including commercial wildcatch, aquaculture and marine scalefish restocking via the submissions, the recfishsa survey and at the meetings but how many of those issues have or are being addressed by Pirsa?
 
So one can look at the numbers who participated as a blight on rec fishers themselves or one can see view it from the perspective that most knew the outcome and no longer bother.
 
The large participation decrease in the 2013/14 rec survey and feedback to a FRDC report from 2011 on rec fishers views of management performance highlights less and less think its a worthwhile use of their time.
 
Like me they probably have moved on to other recreations in life?

I appreciate the response, yes a liverpool fan since the early 80's as a kid.
 
Can't be too hard on pollies or generalise them all. There are some who play with a straight bat but also have to exist within the system to conitinue to serve the public. Ever had situations not ideal but had to settle with the lesser of many evils?
 
Its important to remember that the really wealthy in OZ don't share their wealth like other western nations do and SA's wealthy are even more conservative than the rest of the states. The gap is growing (tabulated via graphs since the 1970's) and that gap has political influence.
 
Put yourself in a pollies shoes. They need votes yes but antagonising business magnates who have the cash and global connections to launch large media campaigns isnt smart politics and can cost them many votes.
 
At the moment the State gov wants the export dollars coming into the state. Its not that they are bad but they see it as the lesser of two evils in trying to bring a surplus budget back to the state. Industry are not evil either they are just far more successful at lobbying than we recs are.
 
I see optimum use of the resource as a large equitably shared community fishery which includes a small commercial fishing sector to supply local needs.
 
Perhaps some think I am bad because of my view?
 
I would say life definately isn't always fair for rec fishers in SA but its not because the gov, industry or my views are bad, we just have different goals and ways of achieving those goals.
 
As for leading well I have tried that but don't have the time or inclination to be formerly involved again. My priorities and goals have changed!

...reading your words i swear all i heard and felt was...
When you walk through a storm, hold your head up high
And don’t be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm, there’s a golden sky
And the sweet, silver song of a lark
Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on, walk on
With hope in your heart
And you’ll never walk alone
You’ll never walk alone
Walk on, walk on
With hope in your heart
And you’ll never walk alone
You’ll never walk alone
 
...i trully hope one day Tacklebags junior catches a bigger snapper than you in your profile pic and he scores the winner for Liverpool in the FA cup final...one or the other ill be happy...but he'll need your help to do that...just like our fishn community needs help from magic fellas like yourself...peace

Hi Panga. Sorry but I wasn't at any protest in Adelaide. I have often attended public consultation sessions but never protests.
 
I have always believed in following consultation processes to achieve desired outcomes. If the outcomes from those processes fail the public then that's the governments problem to deal with/be held accountable for not mine.
 
I dont see my position on fisheries as anti commercial or anti government. I just have different views on how to manage the resource sustainably. Quite simply we can't continue to use the gulfs scalefish stocks to supply the world or even interstate markets under current management mechanisms and maintain a sustainable local community fishery as well.
 
I have discussed fisheries management issues over the years with scientists and industry consultants around the country. One common response I get is "you raise issues which deserve far more attention than they get in Australia".
 
Fish stocks imho are relatively easy to manage Panga, its the politics which makes sustainability untenable.
 
I am well aware of the current costs you mention and see the future only too well. That's why I no longer go fishing and spend my days coaching/playing soccer and tennis.

Hi Panga. Sorry but I wasn't at any protest in Adelaide. I have often attended public consultation sessions but never protests.
 
I have always believed in following consultation processes to achieve desired outcomes. If the outcomes from those processes fail the public then that's the governments problem to deal with/be held accountable for not mine.
 
I dont see my position on fisheries as anti commercial or anti government. I just have different views on how to manage the resource sustainably. Quite simply we can't continue to use the gulfs scalefish stocks to supply the world or even interstate markets under current management mechanisms and maintain a sustainable local community fishery as well.
 
I have discussed fisheries management issues over the years with scientists and industry consultants around the country. One common response I get is "you raise issues which deserve far more attention than they get in Australia".
 
Fish stocks imho are relatively easy to manage Panga, its the politics which makes sustainability untenable.
 
I am well aware of the current costs you mention and see the future only too well. That's why I no longer go fishing and spend my days coaching/playing soccer and tennis.

Gains against degradation are small because there's not enough cash or people available to address the scope of the damage at least in the short term. Much of this countries waters are still not influenced heavily by pollution sources outside of plastic pollution however.
 
As for fisheries in SA, well I have conceeded to the fact the global seafood distribution sector (not the pro catchers themselves) have the influence over management RFL or no RFL. Large variations in commercial catch still occur during favourable environmental conditions due to the continued use of efficient methods without TACC's or by lowering public catch limits to make TACC's sustainable again. When conditions change, fisheries haven't left enough behind and public fishing gets hit.
 
Distribution of wealth from our marine resources is shared far more equitably within our states populace with a large recreational sector and small commercial sector just to supply local needs imho. An export culture channels profits into the hands of a few corporate seafood distributors especially if they dont invest it back into the state.
 
I dont adhere to the concept of continually slashing SA public limits while we still export tonnes either interstate and/or overseas depending on the fishery.
 
Exports needs should be managed after we have maximised our community industry not the other way around.
 
Tackles

Hi Panga. Sorry but I wasn't at any protest in Adelaide. I have often attended public consultation sessions but never protests.
 
I have always believed in following consultation processes to achieve desired outcomes. If the outcomes from those processes fail the public then that's the governments problem to deal with/be held accountable for not mine.
 
I dont see my position on fisheries as anti commercial or anti government. I just have different views on how to manage the resource sustainably. Quite simply we can't continue to use the gulfs scalefish stocks to supply the world or even interstate markets under current management mechanisms and maintain a sustainable local community fishery as well.
 
I have discussed fisheries management issues over the years with scientists and industry consultants around the country. One common response I get is "you raise issues which deserve far more attention than they get in Australia".
 
Fish stocks imho are relatively easy to manage Panga, its the politics which makes sustainability untenable.
 
I am well aware of the current costs you mention and see the future only too well. That's why I no longer go fishing and spend my days coaching/playing soccer and tennis.

Gains against degradation are small because there's not enough cash or people available to address the scope of the damage at least in the short term. Much of this countries waters are still not influenced heavily by pollution sources outside of plastic pollution however.
 
As for fisheries in SA, well I have conceeded to the fact the global seafood distribution sector (not the pro catchers themselves) have the influence over management RFL or no RFL. Large variations in commercial catch still occur during favourable environmental conditions due to the continued use of efficient methods without TACC's or by lowering public catch limits to make TACC's sustainable again. When conditions change, fisheries haven't left enough behind and public fishing gets hit.
 
Distribution of wealth from our marine resources is shared far more equitably within our states populace with a large recreational sector and small commercial sector just to supply local needs imho. An export culture channels profits into the hands of a few corporate seafood distributors especially if they dont invest it back into the state.
 
I dont adhere to the concept of continually slashing SA public limits while we still export tonnes either interstate and/or overseas depending on the fishery.
 
Exports needs should be managed after we have maximised our community industry not the other way around.
 
Tackles

With all due respect bratko, even under a ring fence trust fund account, monies are spent based on committee decisions which are overseen/signed off by the Minister of the day.
 
Such monies can be used for better survey and catch data, tangible enhancement of fishing infrastructure, direct fish stock enhancement and better policing etc which may assist in advocacy but it's not for dictating to government.
 
Tackles

Gains against degradation are small because there's not enough cash or people available to address the scope of the damage at least in the short term. Much of this countries waters are still not influenced heavily by pollution sources outside of plastic pollution however.
 
As for fisheries in SA, well I have conceeded to the fact the global seafood distribution sector (not the pro catchers themselves) have the influence over management RFL or no RFL. Large variations in commercial catch still occur during favourable environmental conditions due to the continued use of efficient methods without TACC's or by lowering public catch limits to make TACC's sustainable again. When conditions change, fisheries haven't left enough behind and public fishing gets hit.
 
Distribution of wealth from our marine resources is shared far more equitably within our states populace with a large recreational sector and small commercial sector just to supply local needs imho. An export culture channels profits into the hands of a few corporate seafood distributors especially if they dont invest it back into the state.
 
I dont adhere to the concept of continually slashing SA public limits while we still export tonnes either interstate and/or overseas depending on the fishery.
 
Exports needs should be managed after we have maximised our community industry not the other way around.
 
Tackles

Good luck in any case RJ with your plans. My intentions here were only to be informative as I don't even go fishing anymore and have moved on to other recreations. I have no intention of being formerly involved but still try my best to assist others with what I have researched over the years so solutions to problems are prepared for.
 
Cheers
 
Tackles

Good luck in any case RJ with your plans. My intentions here were only to be informative as I don't even go fishing anymore and have moved on to other recreations. I have no intention of being formerly involved but still try my best to assist others with what I have researched over the years so solutions to problems are prepared for.
 
Cheers
 
Tackles

Good luck in any case RJ with your plans. My intentions here were only to be informative as I don't even go fishing anymore and have moved on to other recreations. I have no intention of being formerly involved but still try my best to assist others with what I have researched over the years so solutions to problems are prepared for.
 
Cheers
 
Tackles

Just before Christmas myself and a fishing mate had a meeting with Tim Whetstone, the shadow minister for fishing who also happens to enjoy rec fishing with his family. The meeting was supposed to be a media event but was washed out by the weather. Instead we had a good chat about policies, rule changes etc. They do have a lot of good ideas to help us out but I cannot go into detail. All will be revealed during the election campaign, I know how I will be voting.