rotare

I asked this same question a while back about blue throats, as we catch plenty off Cape jervis and KI chasing snapper. We normally throw them back but were told they were good with a decent beer batter. I've heard there's a commercial fishery in Tasmania and the method of a capture is in steel catches and big pots like steriod size lobster pots.Having said this I always thought rock cod were one of those species that you cook up in a pan with a bit of butter, some herbs to season along with a hand full of small stones. Cook for 15 minutes on a medium heat, then discard the rock cod and eat the stones.

With all due respect Rotare' date=' do we really need to drag shit with other forums on here?[/quote']I honestly thought long and hard about posting something. However I felt it should be made known what's going on - cause personally I would have liked to have known prior that it was happening. But as my last part of my post says, I haven't written it to stir shit. Just a heads for people.Leave it to the mods to keep or remove.

Guys, this is relevant to those people who are a member of this forum and FishSA. The administrator of FishSA is monitoring posts written on this forum!I found today that I was banned on FishSA within an hour of posting this comment below, on this forum:

Or whilst there you could buy one of their awesome FSA t-shirts :sick:

Is there a Fish SA stand there? Might go just to catch up with old Mate ANZ, Im sure I wouldnt be the only one keen to say Hi

Cheap lures generally don't swim well or have issues with terminals.

I can't add anything more than the other guys have said, but I sympathise with you because I reckon we've all been there at one time or another. There's just something about that sickening "crack" you hear when the line parts way with your lure and you immediately know you've just said goodbye to $10 - $15 :pinch:

Lucky bugger After teasing us like that a big trip report with lots of pics should be your punishment

you however appear to have categorically formed the opinion that it is unquestionably a dumb idea???

Once again, let`s get all the information on the table before making a decision? `Tis all I`m saying...an informed outcome beats an ideologically-driven one.

Thanks Rotare' date=' Yes I do know the facts, but unfortunately I live toooooo far away to access them.But if you ask someone at SARFAC they are all there in the files ( if they knew where to look ?), believe me and very convincing too. SARFAC worked on this data extensively during the big KGw debate several years back.I wouldn't and don't say anything controversial without first having the supporting facts. I just don't have them with me. But the previous Chair of SARFAC did a lot of work on this, you should contact him. Also the Tourism Dept; also has this data.Trust me.[/quote']Sorry, but all I can make from your response is that you don't actually know the specific answer to my question, because if you did you would simply tell me - right? And I was more interested to see if you had the answer to my question to qualify your previous comments, rather than actually finding the answer out for myself....

Rotare' date=' excuse me but I don't think you have a good graft of fishing tourism, Pat Conlon had the same view until he was convinced other wise !Jetties are a major part of tourism both in cities and in the regions ( Ardrossan but one example ).[/quote']Wisdom, I may not be good with tourism, but I'm not bad with facts, figures and numbers. Without using heresay are you able to tell me how much tourism revenue is generated from a single metropolitan jetty....?Like Pat Conlon, I'm happy to be convinced, but show me the facts and figures first because your argument so far has been anything but convincing!

Keep in mind that Mobil are required to restore the site, jetty dismantling and removal would have to be in the seven figure sum area. I have read figures of between 7 and 10 mil being mentioned. In lieu of going through the dismantling process, the money is paid to the gummint, thus "seeding" costs spoken for?

Apart from the self-funding financials mentioned above, "We" don`t seem to have problems finding mega millions for a footbridge to save a slightly bigger "minority" a 300-400 metre walk...and if anyone replies that is part of the overall city redevelopment package looking to the future (Convention Centre, Oval, etc) then exactly the same principle is applicable to the Stanvac area. Different scale, same concept.

Being so close to the desal plant and it's outlet I would have assumed the Port Stanvac jetty and the surrounding areas would be pretty poor for fishing. Not sure why anyone would want to fish there.... :dry: Disregarding that issue, it's a NO from me. Taking my fishermans hat off, as a state we simply don't have millions of dollars to remediate a dilapidated jetty, then thousands of dollars to maintain the thing anually. There are far too many needed public infrastructure projects being shelved already because a lack of funding. Another jetty to fish from would be a nice thing to have for a minority group to use, but the reality is we simply can't afford it.

So about two weeks ago i was having a little fish at the mouth of the onka' date=' as i was walking back towards the footbridge i bumped into an English bloke and his two young boys who had just bought a little starter kit so the boys could have a fish. The bloke asked if i knew how to set the rod up as he had no idea what he was doing. Of course i stopped to give him a hand. After setting up a little running sinker rig and chopping up a few bits of pillie for them i checked out what they had in the starter pack, obviously it was pretty crap so i got my tackle box out and donated a few swivels, hooks and sinkers to them to get them started. They were very happy and i hope the fella will keep taking his boys fishing and continue learning how to enjoy our sport. I believe fishing is a great way to teach the kids how to appreciate the beautiful place we are fortunate to live.Unfortunately..... in all the good deed doing i have left my whole tackle box there with them when i walked off. Completely my own fault which makes it just a little bit worse!! I suppose the financial cost isn't huge but there is just years of accumulated hooks, swivels, clips and just general bits and bobs which are essentials and i'm just a bit gutted as it will take ages to build it all back up again (though an excellent excuse for a shopping trip)If anyone knows the bloke, has heard anything or in the unlikely event that he might be reading this i'd really appreciate my stuff back, all i know is that he was English, had two youngish sons and said he'd only emigrated a few months ago.[/quote']Good on you for helping out that fella, but sorry to hear you left your tackle box behind. For what it's worth, I've got a stack of lead here at home and a few different types of sinker moulds, so I'd be more than happy to knock you up a batch of a few different type of sinkers to kick start you off in filling up your new tackle box. PM me if you're keen and let me know what type you would like as I'm happy to help out a fellow fisho.

Yes if you look at all of the fish kills on a whole. But if you are analysing Metropolitan fish kills in Gulf St Vincent' date=' last time I checked:[/quote']Urhookedfish. The original Today Tonight report that you posted and make reference to refers to fish kills all along our coastline (refer to first 3 seconds of that video link) - I didn't realise the coastline refers to just metropolitan beaches in the vicinity of Port Stanvac :whistle: But I totally understand why you would want to dismiss any dead fish washed up anywhere around the same time...... I mean dead fish washing up outside of the general area of the desal plant would probably indicate it probably wasn't an isolated, location specific event.... :pinch:

Yes, the Majority of the fish were in an around the Pt Stanvac area, but at this point in time im not prepared to go back and provide numbers and specific locations as this would be quite time consuming, and I suspect that you really are aware that the majority were north and south of the Desal along the Southern coastline, with smaller numbers around Brighton. This brings up an important point though, why hasn't the Government publicised a map of recorded points at which fish and other animals have been located dead?

http://www.pir.sa.gov.au/fishmortalities/qandaWhere have deceased fish been found? Fish Kill Reports - LocationPort Neill - FishCowell - FishPort Lincoln - FishPort Vincent - FishChristies Beach - FishSeaford Beach - FishHallett Cove - FishAldinga Beach - FishMoana Beach - FishYorke Peninsula - FishPort Hughes - FishPoint Turton - FishStansbury - FishWest Lakes Shore/Tennyson - FishPort MacDonnell to SouthEnd - Abalone

Is the fish mortality event likely to be related to a point source pollution event such as:1.A discharge at a wastewater treatment facility,2.The clean-up work at the facility at Pt Stanvac, or3.A vessel releasing chemicals, ballast water or fertiliser, from its cargo? No, based on the geographical spread of mortalities (from Port Lincoln to Mt Gambier) and the fact that the deaths have been ongoing over several weeks the fish kill is not related to any single point source pollution event. Any pollution event associated with these activities would likely dilute to the point they have no impact before travelling any significant distance, let alone the hundreds of kilometres over which these kills have taken place. Are fish dying because of the desalination plant? No. The EPA has categorically ruled out any link to the desalination plant. How do we know the water quality around the desalination plant is safe? The outlets of the desalination plant and surrounding water are monitored multiple times each day and the results demonstrate full compliance with EPA licence conditions at all times. The results including measurements assessing dissolved oxygen and salinity show that levels are within the range for a normal healthy marine ecosystem. This data is available on the EPA website.

So any more updates on this topic?

With knowledge comes understanding and you, Ale and others outside of here have helped me to look at things more hollistically.

And if it wasnn't man made pollution that triggered or contributed to the algal bloom, why was Port Stanvac the lucky location to receive most of the fish deaths? I doubt they all drifted across the gulf and arrived at the same time after dying from upwellings

Their are too many factors involved such as localisation of the kill zones within proximity to the desal that coincidentally had its highest month of production during Feb 2013, then with recorded shut downs for various reasons in Mar including the plant leeking water

By the way you can attempt to belittle me as much as you like, unless you both have scientific backgrounds, you are no more qualified than I am.

Rotare, I only asked for an apology as I was sick of being labelled a conspiracy theorist by both yourself and Ale

The same way as you suggest that I am not open to exploring other possible explanations you yourself seemed not open to it having anything to do with man made pollutants prior to your last post. Its good to see you are in fact opening your mind. My mind has been open from the start, but I was also trying to cover all bases

Oh guys were do we start on that last lot of tripe.Yes I am fully aware that Jochen is implying/saying that the influx of freshwater has in effect caused an algal bloom. The possibility of the Desal being a major part of causing the algal bloom was always on the radar. That is not a new concept. I believe Tacklebags also was wondering if the desal may have helped to trigger the bloom.Jochen was employed by the council to give his opinion on wether the desal was going to cause any problems with the marine environment when the EIS was being released back in 2008. Isnt it strange that back then he believed there was going to be fish kills and here we are some years down the track and not too far into the desals operations we have the predicted fish kills.Now he didnt use Mayan prediction methods (not that I know how they work) to predict the kills. He knew that the increase from 50GL to 100GL was going to cause problems. He was clearly correct.Just to point out. Its not just one or two people that know that the desal is responsible' date=' there is in fact hundreds. Now true to your style, no doubt you will have a crack at how many supposed conspiricy theorists there can be in a population, and I expect this from you now, and in relation to Jochens comments about leatherjackets on the reef. I can assure you that wether they were from on the reef or not on the reef. The leatherjacket schools are in fact close enough and transient enough to be effected. I myself have encountered large schools not far from the exit pipe.Feel free to on one hand acknowled Jochens credentials and then follow it up quickly by trying to discredit his work with no facts or points that discredit the EPA's data. To this point even after emailing the EPA I have not had them explain the sudden drop in salinity levels after the shut off. Ive even had the EPA reply to me " no unusual discharges from single point sources have been reported or identified". Now this is all fine and dandy, but something caused the shut down of the desal from the 12-16march and we can rule out routine maintenance around a dodge tide. I find it hard to believe that the EPA would not of analised there own data and said hold on how did SALINITY drop that severley? Isnt this the EPA's job to investigate all avenues of what could have caused the fish kills, and to most this would stand out massivley and raise questions[/quote']Urhookedfish,For all I know Kaempf could be well and truly on the right track here, and indeed the fish kills may have been the result of the operations of the desal plant. I still don't know what killed the fish, and indeed no-one does.... because the investigation on the deaths as I'm aware has not yet been completed. All I've proposed to you within these threads on this topic is be objective, think of the other possibilities and don't rule anything out. But I don't think this is how you've approached this. It would seem from day one you have been totally polarised with the idea it was somehow the desal plant, whether it was through increased salinity, chemicals being back washed to sea or fish being sucked up into the intake pipe. One academic appears on TV with his proposal of what happened, and all of a sudden according to you the culprit has been identified and it's case closed. As I said prior, that's not how science works urhookedfish. What are his peers saying? What are the other experts saying? Do they support his claims, or do they think he's on the wrong path? And as tacklebags has pointed out, Kaempf has come to one conclusion, but his conclusion seems to conflict with the published data from the EPA....Again, the objective approach would be to wait until the results of the testing is posted, so we can all make an educated assessment...In another thread you asked people to apologise to you based on Kaempfs explanation. This puzzles me considering you have been so resolute with your position on this topic, and haven't accepted any other possibilities, or the preliminary expert opinion that it wasn't linked to the desal plant - yet you still expect others now to accept the word of Kaempf and apologise to you? Likewise, if the government's final assessment, or any other expert opinion for that matter, on this is it's not the desal plant, will you accept that verdict and openly apologise to everyone (as you expect others to do), or will you simply dismiss their findings and continue with your own agenda?Cheers

Here is the story as seen on Today tonight by Professor Jochen Kaempf' date=' showing evidence that the DESAL was the cause of localised fish kills.http://www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au/?page=Story&StoryID=1651[/quote']I guess it needs to be put into perspective. It's simply the opinion of one person. Yeah, Kaempf has qualifications as an oceanographer and clearly is a smart guy, but just because one smart guy has an opinion doesn't mean his opinion is a dead set certainty to be right - that's not how science works. It will be interesting to hear what other equally or more qualified experts have to say, and whether they support or reject his claims. I'm surprised anyway that the cynics on this website haven't disregarded Kaempf's opinions some time ago. Usually people like Kaempf are labelled overpaid, over qualified academics that have no idea and are out of touch with the real world..... but I guess whilst his opinions continue to support some peoples views, he will be seen as some sort of moral crusader battling against a darker force. I digress....One thing that I noted when I briefly watched that report on TV, was a comment he made in the last minute or so of his interview. He said something about this "soup" would have been hanging around the Port Noarlunga reef, hence why so many dead leather jackets were affected and found washed ashore. That comment didn't seem right IMO. I get the feeling Kaempf has never snorkelled that reef. I've snorkelled it dozens and dozens of times and never seen schools of pigmy leatherjackets around there, or around the general vicinity for that matter. I did recently come across some massive schools of pigmy leather jackets 7km offshore from O'sullies, in the middle of nowhere, not sitting over any type of structure. So in my opinion, his correlation that the pigmy leather jackets killed were from the Noarlunga reef, just down the road from the desal plant, is probably a little too convenient, and not correct.

Terrific idea. I will enjoy watching your videos for sure!

A couple of years I brought a bulk lot (maybe 20 or so) of chinese no name deep diving bibbed lures that ranged from 10 - 15cm from ebay. Admittedly they were advertised as "factory seconds" as they had some minor cosmetic faults (paint runs etc), but functionalty was assured by the seller. Didn't pay a lot for them, maybe $20 delivered, but in a nutshell they were crap. The trebles that came with the lures weren't very good, so they all needed replacing. The build quality and finish of the lures are simply not to the same standard as the big names like Rapala, Yozuri etc, and I'd hate to hook a personal best fish on one of them because I wouldn't have any faith that the I could get the fish boat side, before the lure fell apart.The final nail in the coffin for me is that they don't "swim" very well, and are very sensitive to the speed you troll them at. I find brand name lures typically can be trolled at a range of speeds and swim fine, but the cheap ones I had struggled to swim if I trolled too slow or too fast, and the whole thing would end in tears.Never caught a single fish on the ones I had, and I gave up on them after trying them several times.Lesson learn't for me, but others might have had a better experience.

Many/ most do not know where to access relevant data.Too many ostrich's in this state for mine !; and many miss the point on fostering angling in SA' date=' they try to look tooooooooo deeply at things.Keep it simple and get on your bikes ! Rattle the chains and become a force or get run over ![/quote']Well' date=' I was expecting much more than just "an exercise in stimulation" as a reply. :blink:Maybe I'm trying to look "too deeply at things" in hoping for relevant supporting data, constructed arguement, scientific principles and methodology, by way of constructive reply and justification for your stance on FAD's in SA! :unsure:All I find now, is that I'm scratching my head wondering why someone who claims to be from Yepoon QLD is so interested in the politics behind SA fisheries?[/quote']Agree. I've been anxiously waiting to hear some words of "wisdom" in the hope I may learn a bit more about biological sciences..... Seems there's a lot of talk and plenty of chest beating, but nothing much of substance.... :dry:

Notice how it says you're not allowed to "catch" that species. Meaning you're not allowed to target them.

open to interpretation i think. any lawyers a member here

Well done mate. You look very happy in that photo