Underpants 1,543 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 I'm considering purchasing a BG as my first Diawa reel, to replace my clunky Shimano Symetre 1000 on my light 1-3kg spin setup. I'm looking at the BG as it has a good rep and is currently going for $155 & $159. I understand it's Al construction will make it a bit heavier than composite reels. I have found the Shimano 1000 size just a tad small, being cumbersome at times, for my 'man hands’. I find their 2500 oversized for the 1-3kg rod - unnecessary capacity and out of balance. Any advice on how Daiwa's 2000&2500s compare with Shimano 1000/2500, size wise? Will probably 'try one on' tomorrow. Just need to purchase online to use PayPal and 'slip beneath the radar' . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bratko 277 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Stradic 2500 ci4+ is 190 grams...$200 at the moment and probably better than the bg...go and try some reels on your rod amigo and see what suits...by might be a tad heavy for 1-3kg...peace Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knackers 700 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 I have a BG 2500 and cannot fault it. Great drag, doesn't flex. I'd consider getting a smaller one as well but have 2 stradics, a 1000 and 3000. They are really good as well but the BG has less (read no) flex albeit heavier. I got it for smaller stuff like tommies, ST and gar but found it was a bit to heavy with 8lb braid. Swapped over to 20 lb braid and is my go to with a 9 ft rod for casting lures at salmon. Has no problems with up to 10 lb fish. Considering the price I will replace all my smaller spinners with BG's when the time comes. Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knackers 700 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 I know some people don't like Alan Hawke but what he writes has come true for me. I even had problems with my Saltiga Dogfight which I conversed with him about. He was right on the money after I had it repaired by Daiwa under warranty. Read about the BG here: http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/bg16.html Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AquaticResearch1 1,047 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Have a bg and a symetre fj, love both but completely different reels. Bg is a powerful, fast work horse but doesn't have the lightness I like on my 2-4 kg or less rods. Smallest bg I would buy is the 3000 as a coorong mulloway reel, but I use the aird and such in smaller sizes still (Not in the league of the symetre after heavy use imo) If I were looking for a new flats reel for my 1-3kg to replace my symetre, I'd be looking at the exceler or legalis lt reels in a 2000, or a stradic if I could justify it. A mate has the legalis lt and thus far I can't fault it, very nice reel but hasn't copped a dunking yet anyway. Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AquaticResearch1 1,047 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Also worth noting that I had problems with the main bearing of the bg, fixed now but was a pain in the arse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SurfcaztR 715 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 I have the 4000 for Coorong mulloway,they come in various sizes.Plenty to choose from on ebay.much lighter than BG https://www.ottostackleworld.com.au/daiwa-fuego-lt-spinning-fishing-reels-2018 Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Knackers 700 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 30 minutes ago, SurfcaztR said: I have the 4000 for Coorong mulloway,they come in various sizes.Plenty to choose from on ebay.much lighter than BG https://www.ottostackleworld.com.au/daiwa-fuego-lt-spinning-fishing-reels-2018 Looks like a BG with a carbon fibre body. If it is it will be good. And magseal. Which you don't need if your reels don't get wet. Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,847 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 I run a Daiwa freams 3000 and a Daiwa BG 3000 on identical rods for Jewies - I run different lures on each so I can quickly cover a spot and move to the next - there is a noticeable difference in the weight when you switch between the out fits. So much so that I weighed them - Its not a huge deal and I normally only notice it when I'm cracking the sooks after a few dud spots - but the difference is real As long as you dont run it side by side with another lighter reel - you might not notice the weight gain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,847 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 But they're a tough unit - The number one way I break reels is the wind blowing my bike over while the rods are strapped into some paniers on the back. The BG is the only reel to have survived the full weight on my bike slamming it into the ground Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,847 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Had to do a little road side panel beating - but shes good as new and still kicking Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lofty64 1,309 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Good stuff love it , Theory and proof of rods and reels , but with all this stuff is there any fish …..? Its great to have everything in line and know what to use and what not to use . Great stuff and all is good ……..but fish pictures is better than ...TESTING . Throw some pictures of fish ,after testing , be cool as cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yellow door 1 1,847 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, lofty64 said: Good stuff love it , Theory and proof of rods and reels , but with all this stuff is there any fish …..? Its great to have everything in line and know what to use and what not to use . Great stuff and all is good ……..but fish pictures is better than ...TESTING . Throw some pictures of fish ,after testing , be cool as cheers Here you go mate - the BG handled him no worries Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AquaticResearch1 1,047 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, lofty64 said: Good stuff love it , Theory and proof of rods and reels , but with all this stuff is there any fish …..? Its great to have everything in line and know what to use and what not to use . Great stuff and all is good ……..but fish pictures is better than ...TESTING . Throw some pictures of fish ,after testing , be cool as cheers Thing is lofty, I could show you a picture of a massive x fish on a certain reel, yet still Not rate it as highly as another reel I've used purely based on user friendliness and a certain level of luck being needed to land a decent fish. I've just had a quick scroll through my phone gallery, was going to upload photos but it is a bit much work... any way. BG 8kg snapper + others 75cm snook 25lb murray cod + others Surf salmon to 45 cm and trolled fish to 8lb Big Callop Aird Mulloway to 80 something cm + many many more Big redfin plus many more Big carp 52cm Waitpinga salmon Rainbow trout KG whiting to 50ish cm Many cast salmon to 52cm Bream to 42cm Seido Big carp galore Heaps of school Mulloway to 70cm Redfin big and small Big 3lb plus rainbow trout Kg whiting and pan snapper Symetre Lots of yellowfin whiting including 40 + cm fish Big carp to 3ft long Rainbow trout to 6lb Redfin Bream to 35cm Now all those reels have caught good fish, but I would recommend the symetre ahead of the Aird and seido purely as it is just as capable and has been a finer reel to use, and hence has been used in more finesse applications. The BG by contrast is a beast of a reel in its' build, but that's why I tend to use it on bigger targets even if it isn't that much larger than the others. It just isn't as good to use and I don't need that full aluminum construction etc etc on fish that I Chase on flick sticks; just as I don't think underpants will by his description. Bloody long type up but I hope I got the message across. Underpants, Yorky, lofty64 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpete 25 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Good topic, it could go on for ever like Ford versus Holden. I like Chevs but not saying Ford has made some great donks, Chrysler probably beats them both. Shimano for me. Cheers mpete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wert 472 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Daiwa for me, I like the feel, the weight and the look. They work well too. So much good gear on the market though, lets hear from the abu guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snapperhead 523 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Check out the Aird X range 11 ball bearing and for the price ($104 - $118) are great value I have 2 @2500 1@3000 and 1@4000 of these reels and love em. The 4000 has caught tuna no issues the 3000 snapper and mulloway up to around the metre size and the 2500's are my whiting, bream reels. I also have 3 BG's a 4000, 4500, and a 5000 which are on my heavier tuna outfits and all of them have caught tuna up to 33kg and Ive found them faultless. I got the 5000 for $95 delivered from USA I got lucky one day looking at amazon and couldnt believe the price so I bought it and havent looked back since buying the others locally because I think for the money again you cant go past them. Why buy a Saltist which is more than twice the price when you are basically getting the same reel in a BG Now I own some higher end reels but hate spending money when I dont have too so thats why these 2 models have turned my crank, I cant see the point of spending big bucks when you can get great smooth well made reels for more than half the price. Now I admit Im a Daiwa man but I also know that Shimano make great reels too its just a holden/ford thing once you love one brand you tend to stick to it but whatever brand you buy dont be fooled into thinking you have to spend mega bucks to get get a reel that works well and does the job with no issues, isnt that really what we all want. cheers snapps Underpants, Zorgs and SurfcaztR 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southie THE BANGA 2,304 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 I would personally look at the Daiwa LT range of Reels. for around that $150 price point you can get an Daiwa Exceler LT. Nice and smooth, light, look good and have nice drag systems on them. I mainly have higher end gear now. I lost the drag knob while out fishing a few weeks ago while up yorkes. so i needed a reel to get me by Picked up the exceler i was quite impressed by it. At the end of the day it is what feels comfortable and right for you. everybody is different and like different things best to try out a whole range of reels on your rod as Bratko mentioned and see what feels good. bratko, Underpants, Yorky and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Meppstas 5,037 Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Well here's all my light weight trout reels that I use on my Daiwa Presso ULS 1-3kg rods 6' & 6'6'' & Okuma Celilo ULS 1-3kg 6'6'' & 6' rods. Well balanced set ups, reels all filled with a .18 4lb clear mono line.. Very happy with them.. Daiwa Ageas 2004H also have a MX2004H Gekkabijin reel which is much the same as the Ageas This little Crest reel is set up on a Daiwa presso 5'6'' rod for trout fishing small tight creeks & streams Daiwa Revros 1003 & I also have two 2004H ones. Okuma Ceymar C-10 (small reel) Okuma Helios SX20 cheers Adrian lofty64 and Underpants 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Underpants 1,543 Posted January 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Thanks for the input folks. Had a feeling Kuerschie might have been working today so dropped in for a chin-wag and have a play few a few reels. Helped that my son was fast asleep in the car (all windows down and he's 6 so well capable of getting out!) so i could actually focus on the importand reel hardware. Hands-on is certainly the best approach and pretty easy choice of a Daiwa LT model in 2000. Roughly between a Shimano 1000 & 2500, which was what i need. Just need to decide between a Freams LT or Fuego LT....? Doesn't help that Fuego isn't on Daiwa Australia for comparison ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Underpants 1,543 Posted January 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, Underpants said: Just need to decide between a Freams LT or Fuego LT....? Doesn't help that Fuego isn't on Daiwa Australia for comparison ! Dunno, appears that Fuego LT may be a Tackle World exclusive with Daiwa? Still cant tell the difference tho!! Freams LT 2000 $183 (BCF online coz they dont stock it locally!?) or Fuego LT 2000 $169 (also online as Tackleworld Adelaide don't stock it ) To be superficial....as much as i don't like red...... the black and red Fuego looks way sexxxxier than the gold and silver Freams !!! Squid Inc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aff 121 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Underpants said: Dunno, appears that Fuego LT may be a Tackle World exclusive with Daiwa? Still cant tell the difference tho!! Freams LT 2000 $183 (BCF online coz they dont stock it locally!?) or Fuego LT 2000 $169 (also online as Tackleworld Adelaide don't stock it ) I feel your pain....stores in this town often don't stock what we want. No wonder online shopping is taking over. Underpants 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB tragic 759 Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Cant comment on the new model Fuego but have previously had 2 earlier models in 1000 and 1500 sizes. Very light sound and smooth reels to use. Only moved them on to upgrade. The rod that you have will determine which reel balances the best/is most comfortable. I have a 1-3kg Nitro rod that I had hoped to use a 1000 reel on but it turned out that a 2004 was a better match for it particularly when casting. Good luck with your choice. Regards HBt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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SurfcaztR 715 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 What was the final outcome to what you got ? HB tragic 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Underpants 1,543 Posted February 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Daiwa Freams LT 2000S. Kuerschie ran me thru a range of reels and i was able to have a play with the Freams LT 3000 (marginally heavier) and an Aird 2000 (same size). The Daiwa 2000 fitted right in the size i wanted, between a Shimano 1000-2500. The LT nice and light for balance but still seems solid. Not held locally so purchased online, at 20% off and free postage. Would had to of gone to Tackle World as well to try the Fuego 3000 and still have to buy the 2000 online anyway! Setup below, Just need to load up the spool and break in properly. (HB may recognise the rod) WTF is the go with Daiwa's instructions? Is it just me or are they usually supplied in Japanese only!? Everything on the box is English but the instructions arnt ! HB tragic 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SurfcaztR 715 Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 4-5 years ago in the 4000 sizes in Aird and Freams they only lasted one day for me B4 getting a swap at the tackle store.Hopfully they have improved there quality ? since then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB tragic 759 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Nice outfit Underpants . Regards HBt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AquaticResearch1 1,047 Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 24/01/2019 at 2:51 PM, SurfcaztR said: I have the 4000 for Coorong mulloway,they come in various sizes.Plenty to choose from on ebay.much lighter than BG https://www.ottostackleworld.com.au/daiwa-fuego-lt-spinning-fishing-reels-2018 How's the Fuego holding up after another 6 months? Had a play with one today and they are very light for a given size. Would mean I'm able to get away with a 2500 deep spool on a rod I'd previously have to fish are far smaller reel. Has me tempted for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SurfcaztR 715 Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, AquaticResearch1 said: How's the Fuego holding up after another 6 months? Had a play with one today and they are very light for a given size. Would mean I'm able to get away with a 2500 deep spool on a rod I'd previously have to fish are far smaller reel. Has me tempted for sure. Only used it for a short time and gave it to my son,as i had plenty of different reels to choose from.The reel showed no issues as one would expect.I did pick up a new 3000 Fuego but that is for sale now as i have swung over to low profile bait casters just for a change. AquaticResearch1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Del 245 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 have had a daiwa excellor for so many years now that i cant remember when i bought it... has certainly earned its money many times over. I also have some small shimano reels.. sol 3000 being my favourite of them. Im happy with both.. but im probably not as dedicated any longer to my fishing as most on here doobie 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doobie 5,802 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Del said: but im probably not as dedicated any longer to my fishing as most on here shame Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Del 245 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 3 hours ago, doobie said: shame maybe i just need a friendly local to drag me out again doobie 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Softy 2,991 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 Maybe you need to dig your kayak out again. doobie 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doobie 5,802 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Del said: maybe i just need a friendly local to drag me out again Just get Softy to nudge you out of bed Softy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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